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Old May 5th, 2011, 10:24 PM   #6781
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Isn't adding tolls to a currently-free Interstate (I'm referring to your mention of I-90 farther up the thread) built with federal funds illegal? The Rendell administration tried at least twice to get permission from the feds (no idea what agency) to add tolls to Pennsylvania's stretch of I-80, and was shot down.
do you mean that all interstates are FREE?
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Old May 5th, 2011, 11:40 PM   #6782
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do you mean that all interstates are FREE?
Those that weren't built as toll roads (most if not all of them before getting the Interstate designation) are.
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Old May 5th, 2011, 11:44 PM   #6783
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There is no such things as free roads unless your government levies no taxes whatsoever.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 01:16 AM   #6784
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that's true, but you don't have to pay every time you get on them
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Old May 6th, 2011, 04:37 AM   #6785
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There is no such things as free roads unless your government levies no taxes whatsoever.
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You know perfectly well what Botev meant.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 04:47 AM   #6786
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There is no such things as free roads unless your government levies no taxes whatsoever.
That happens to be the platform of the Republican Party.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 04:48 AM   #6787
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That happens to be the platform of the Republican Party.
No taxes? Sounds more like a Libertarian thing.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 04:56 AM   #6788
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if there were no taxes, who would fund the roads?
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Old May 6th, 2011, 05:46 AM   #6789
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if there were no taxes, who would fund the roads?
They won't be funded and fall into Disrepair....
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Old May 6th, 2011, 05:47 AM   #6790
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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:19 AM   #6791
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They won't be funded and fall into Disrepair....
so the newest 3rd world country. No thanks. I prefer to pay and drive on nice roads
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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:36 AM   #6792
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That section recently underwent concrete rehabilitation. WSDOT installed dowel bars between concrete panels, replaced the most heavily cracked panels, and then diamond-ground off the top 1/4 inch of the entire stretch of roadway to improve the road surface. It feels nice driving on it, but it's far from pleasing to the eye.

But of course, that's just a temporary fix. Actual reconstruction of the highway won't happen until 2017.
Do you know if the 2017 reconstruction will also affect the corridor from southern King County through Olympia? I noticed an asphalt stretch in Pierce County (Fife/Milton) was recently repaved (funded with stimulus dollars). The rest of the concrete is also over 50 years old and is dire condition as well.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:39 AM   #6793
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so the newest 3rd world country. No thanks. I prefer to pay and drive on nice roads
Hear, hear! I generally try to avoid politics here and am glad others generally do likewise - there are plenty of other places on the Internet for that - but our national allergy to taxes and government spending (within reason, of course) does not serve us well.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 06:53 AM   #6794
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Will they ever repave the worst sections of I-5 between downtown Seattle and the border with Snohomish County (Shoreline exit 177)? That section is so bad. The concrete is probably 50 years old and not smooth at all. Also the markings (the dots on the road) on Hwy 99 in Snohomish County between 188 St SW and 244 St SW are almost non-existant. That has been like that for more than 2 years. I can't understand why they regularly repaint and repave small streets and they don't even touch the main roads/highways?
Well, the state is $5bn short in cash, all because voters repealed the "candy" tax and rejected increased taxes on the richest 1%. Millions of dollars by DC corporate lobbyists were spent to convince residents that paying 2 cents extra on a bottle of Coke was preposterous.

The roads and streets are so terrible in areas that they pose a safety hazard. Many are blowing out the shocks and struts on cars.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 07:44 AM   #6795
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Not surprising really. Americans are cheap IMO.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 07:45 AM   #6796
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Does anyone know what happened to the pavement on I-5 southbound between exit 182 and 181 in Lynnwood. The pavement was perfect until they started the new tunnel project which has nothing to do with the pavement because it is outside of the freeway. So they removed the top layer of asphalt and now the road looks really bad and there is a sign Grooved pavement and believe me it's really dangerous especially if you drive a smaller car. It's been like that for more than 8 months. Does anyone know why they did that and will they fix it? They are only building a tunnel (braided ramp)

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Old May 6th, 2011, 09:34 AM   #6797
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Not surprising really. Americans are cheap IMO.
No just ignorant and stupid, we have the money to fix our roads however the funds are being used elsewhere. It's the same bullshit that social security is broke, the program has a surplus but they borrowed money from it for other things. America is the country where the rich lie and take your money and then the lower class fight for lower taxes for the rich but yeah a lot of politics. Point is we should have the right amount of money diverted to infrastructure.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 09:37 AM   #6798
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I have driven on a lot of interstates, smaller highways and streets in USA and the roads are in good condition (not perfect like Spain for example). There are roads in perfect condition, there are roads in bad condition (like everywhere), but most of the US roads are fine

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Old May 6th, 2011, 08:08 PM   #6799
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I have driven on a lot of interstates, smaller highways and streets in USA and the roads are in good condition (not perfect like Spain for example). There are roads in perfect condition, there are roads in bad condition (like everywhere), but most of the US roads are fine
Depends on where in the US you are but yeah some places you would never think the roads are bad.
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Old May 6th, 2011, 09:12 PM   #6800
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Do you know if the 2017 reconstruction will also affect the corridor from southern King County through Olympia? I noticed an asphalt stretch in Pierce County (Fife/Milton) was recently repaved (funded with stimulus dollars). The rest of the concrete is also over 50 years old and is dire condition as well.
I think it's just the section between Tukwila and Northgate. Reconstructing that section alone would be a massive financial burden if you think about how many thousands of concrete panels they will have to replace.

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Does anyone know what happened to the pavement on I-5 southbound between exit 182 and 181 in Lynnwood. The pavement was perfect until they started the new tunnel project which has nothing to do with the pavement because it is outside of the freeway. So they removed the top layer of asphalt and now the road looks really bad and there is a sign Grooved pavement and believe me it's really dangerous especially if you drive a smaller car. It's been like that for more than 8 months. Does anyone know why they did that and will they fix it? They are only building a tunnel (braided ramp)
Hmm, I'm not sure about that one. They're also doing drainage work and shifting lanes around, but I don't get why that would require removing the top layer. I'll go check it out sometime.
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