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Old May 9th, 2011, 10:09 AM   #6821
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Looks like WSDOT visited the Netherlands.
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Old May 9th, 2011, 08:47 PM   #6822
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Looks like WSDOT visited the Netherlands.
Yes they did. They visited six European countries in 2006, including the Netherlands, Germany and the UK. They were impressed by the Dutch system for speed harmonization.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 03:47 AM   #6823
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Some pictures I took today. I used a smartphone, so the quality is not great

I-5 South in Shoreline, WA with 50-year old concrete pavement



I-5 South in Seattle before Northgate with the same 50 year-old concrete pavement





I-5 South in Seattle with rehabilitated concrete pavement. It looks bad but it's actually pretty smooth



I-5 North in Shoreline, WA















I-5 North in Mountlake Terrace, WA with good asphalt pavement





I-5 North in Lynnwood, WA with brand new (2-year old) asphalt pavement











I-405 South in Lynnwood, WA with perfectly smooth asphalt pavement







I-405 South in Bothell, WA with very smooth asphalt pavement





I-405 North in Bothell, WA with very smooth asphalt pavement









I-405 North in Lynnwood, WA





I-5 North again in Lynnwood, WA





I-5 South in Lynnwood, WA with perfect asphalt pavement





This is the grooved pavement I mentioned on a previous page. Before starting the tunnel project the pavement was exactly the same as the picture above. I don't know why they removed the top layer of asphalt and put signs Grooved pavement and Motorcycles use extreme caution.







This is a view of I-5 North from Alderwood Mall Parkway in Lynnwood, WA





I-5 South





They are building a tunnel (braided ramp)



I-5 South



I-5 North



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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:12 AM   #6824
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Beware Seattle drivers!

Troopers pull over 223 passing lane 'campers' in King County

SEATTLE – Washington state troopers in King County pulled over 223 drivers last month who camped out in the freeway passing lane, breaking a law that not many drivers know about. Of those, 199 were let off with warnings.

The Washington State Patrol is putting higher emphasis on keeping slower traffic in the right lane and out of the left general purpose lane, which is the designated passing lane.

Many of those who were pulled over didn't know it was against the law, the state patrol said. Troopers told them to stay out of the left lane if traveling below freeway speeds and not to travel continuously in the left lane for no reason. Violators could be fined $124.

One of the concerns for enforcing the law is aggressive drivers who get frustrated at the slower traffic in front of them and, as a result, dart from lane to lane to get by other cars.

The HOV lane does not count as the so-called "fast lane." However, that is not the case on those freeways that have HOV lanes that are not enforced 24 hours a day, such as Interstate 405, Interstate 90 east of I-405 and State Route 167. Those HOV lanes are only enforced 5 a.m. to 7 p.m. At all other times, the HOV lane then becomes the designated passing lane.

"When HOV lanes are open to all traffic, they should be treated like a regular left-side freeway lane. Left-side freeway lanes are normally reserved for passing, so are only to be used to pass," WSP spokesman Dan Coon told KING 5 last month.


It seems to me that only the left lane is the legal passing lane, and the middle lane isn't...Still a disappointment, but nonetheless an improvement.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:16 AM   #6825
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Nice pics above, and they are very good for a smartphone taken in moving traffic.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:25 AM   #6826
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It seems to me that only the left lane is the legal passing lane, and the middle lane isn't...Still a disappointment, but nonetheless an improvement.
The middle can't be with so much traffic. Just wondering during rush hours when all lanes are congested, would they still pull you over for barely moving in the left lane
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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:45 AM   #6827
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The middle can't be with so much traffic. Just wondering during rush hours when all lanes are congested, would they still pull you over for barely moving in the left lane
I highly doubt it. Obviously keep right except to pass wouldn't work when traffic isn't free flow. But that still doesn't mean that people should cruise in the middle lane when the right lane is wide open. Not to mention, keeping right except to pass can probably alleviate some congestion since it improves traffic flow.

Actually I did a little project where I counted the cars per lane on a segment of I-90. The right lane had the least traffic over the course of an hour.

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Old May 11th, 2011, 09:52 AM   #6828
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When I was in Europe last summer, I drove in Bulgaria and Spain and I rode a bus in Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia and Italy. Drivers there know that when you pass a car, you have to go back in the right lane. Traffic flow is so much faster when everyone does it. You almost never slow down except when there is traffic (one of the highways in Italy was completely congested during rush hour). So they have to start giving tickets or at least warnings in the US and drivers will learn that they can't drive in the left lane
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Old May 11th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #6829
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When I was in Europe last summer, I drove in Bulgaria and Spain and I rode a bus in Serbia, Croatia, Slovenia and Italy. Drivers there know that when you pass a car, you have to go back in the right lane.
In Italy, until a number of years ago (can't remember exactly how many) right lane was called "slow moving vehicle lane", so you were actually allowed to ride in the middle lane unless you were driving "slow" (don't know how much, either). Now the highway code has changed and you always have to drive in the "righmost possible lane". Central and external lane(s) are ONLY for passing.
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Old May 11th, 2011, 05:19 PM   #6830
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I highly doubt it. Obviously keep right except to pass wouldn't work when traffic isn't free flow. But that still doesn't mean that people should cruise in the middle lane when the right lane is wide open. Not to mention, keeping right except to pass can probably alleviate some congestion since it improves traffic flow.

Actually I did a little project where I counted the cars per lane on a segment of I-90. The right lane had the least traffic over the course of an hour.

Actually, I tend to favor the middle lane; less opportunity for conflict with entering and exiting traffic. Sorry....
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Old May 12th, 2011, 03:52 AM   #6831
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Beware Seattle drivers!

Troopers pull over 223 passing lane 'campers' in King County

SEATTLE – Washington state troopers in King County pulled over 223 drivers last month who camped out in the freeway passing lane, breaking a law that not many drivers know about. Of those, 199 were let off with warnings.

The Washington State Patrol is putting higher emphasis on keeping slower traffic in the right lane and out of the left general purpose lane, which is the designated passing lane.

Many of those who were pulled over didn't know it was against the law, the state patrol said. Troopers told them to stay out of the left lane if traveling below freeway speeds and not to travel continuously in the left lane for no reason. Violators could be fined $124.

One of the concerns for enforcing the law is aggressive drivers who get frustrated at the slower traffic in front of them and, as a result, dart from lane to lane to get by other cars.

The HOV lane does not count as the so-called "fast lane." However, that is not the case on those freeways that have HOV lanes that are not enforced 24 hours a day, such as Interstate 405, Interstate 90 east of I-405 and State Route 167. Those HOV lanes are only enforced 5 a.m. to 7 p.m. At all other times, the HOV lane then becomes the designated passing lane.

"When HOV lanes are open to all traffic, they should be treated like a regular left-side freeway lane. Left-side freeway lanes are normally reserved for passing, so are only to be used to pass," WSP spokesman Dan Coon told KING 5 last month.


It seems to me that only the left lane is the legal passing lane, and the middle lane isn't...Still a disappointment, but nonetheless an improvement.
In Florida they'd probably pull over 22,223, people here are clueless to the passing lane and it is a law!! When driving on the interstates when there are breaks in traffic you will hit clusters of cars which I call the "cluster of idiots" where nobody can get around them. So I and other drivers resort to aggressive driving like cutting off and squeezing in tight spaces to get through the "cluster of idiots". It is ridiculous since I always try to get out of the passing lane ASAP, maybe because I'm European.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 04:02 AM   #6832
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Beware Seattle drivers!

Troopers pull over 223 passing lane 'campers' in King County

SEATTLE – Washington state troopers in King County pulled over 223 drivers last month who camped out in the freeway passing lane, breaking a law that not many drivers know about. Of those, 199 were let off with warnings.

The Washington State Patrol is putting higher emphasis on keeping slower traffic in the right lane and out of the left general purpose lane, which is the designated passing lane.

Many of those who were pulled over didn't know it was against the law, the state patrol said. Troopers told them to stay out of the left lane if traveling below freeway speeds and not to travel continuously in the left lane for no reason. Violators could be fined $124.

One of the concerns for enforcing the law is aggressive drivers who get frustrated at the slower traffic in front of them and, as a result, dart from lane to lane to get by other cars.

The HOV lane does not count as the so-called "fast lane." However, that is not the case on those freeways that have HOV lanes that are not enforced 24 hours a day, such as Interstate 405, Interstate 90 east of I-405 and State Route 167. Those HOV lanes are only enforced 5 a.m. to 7 p.m. At all other times, the HOV lane then becomes the designated passing lane.

"When HOV lanes are open to all traffic, they should be treated like a regular left-side freeway lane. Left-side freeway lanes are normally reserved for passing, so are only to be used to pass," WSP spokesman Dan Coon told KING 5 last month.


It seems to me that only the left lane is the legal passing lane, and the middle lane isn't...Still a disappointment, but nonetheless an improvement.
Atleast it's something. Us Americans really need to figure out how to drive properly on freeways, making passing lane 'campers' illegal is step in the right direction.
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Old May 12th, 2011, 11:27 AM   #6833
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I have noticed that they don't repave the bridge decks on the freeways. Even if they repave the freeway with brand new asphalt, they leave the old concrete on the bridge decks? Why don't they change it too?
I have no idea, I've been wondering that myself. I think it has to do with the difficulty of dealing with expansion joints, approach slabs, and the effort required to make the pavement on the bridge deck completely level with its surroundings. I'll ask around and try to get an answer though.
The obvious answer is dead load. A new layer of paving is really heavy, and if the bridge wasn't designed for the extra weight, it shouldn't be installed.

If the bridge deck is in really bad shape, reconstruction is the only option, and it's expensive and disruptive.
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Asphalt is also heavier than concrete if I'm correct.
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How do they do it in Europe? I didn't see any concrete bridge decks. And they also repave the asphalt every time if I am not wrong
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In Germany, AFAIK, they rebuild bridges.
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How do they do it in Europe? I didn't see any concrete bridge decks. And they also repave the asphalt every time if I am not wrong
Some bridges are designed to have an asphalt wearing course. When it gets raggedy, it's milled away and replaced.
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Old May 13th, 2011, 01:35 AM   #6838
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Beware Seattle drivers!

Troopers pull over 223 passing lane 'campers' in King County

SEATTLE – Washington state troopers in King County pulled over 223 drivers last month who camped out in the freeway passing lane, breaking a law that not many drivers know about. Of those, 199 were let off with warnings.

The Washington State Patrol is putting higher emphasis on keeping slower traffic in the right lane and out of the left general purpose lane, which is the designated passing lane.

Many of those who were pulled over didn't know it was against the law, the state patrol said. Troopers told them to stay out of the left lane if traveling below freeway speeds and not to travel continuously in the left lane for no reason. Violators could be fined $124.

One of the concerns for enforcing the law is aggressive drivers who get frustrated at the slower traffic in front of them and, as a result, dart from lane to lane to get by other cars.

The HOV lane does not count as the so-called "fast lane." However, that is not the case on those freeways that have HOV lanes that are not enforced 24 hours a day, such as Interstate 405, Interstate 90 east of I-405 and State Route 167. Those HOV lanes are only enforced 5 a.m. to 7 p.m. At all other times, the HOV lane then becomes the designated passing lane.

"When HOV lanes are open to all traffic, they should be treated like a regular left-side freeway lane. Left-side freeway lanes are normally reserved for passing, so are only to be used to pass," WSP spokesman Dan Coon told KING 5 last month.


It seems to me that only the left lane is the legal passing lane, and the middle lane isn't...Still a disappointment, but nonetheless an improvement.
I wish they would have sent them to Guantanamo Bay.
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Don't mention Guantanamo on international forums: it makes non-Americans ornery. And some Americans understand why.
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Don't mention Guantanamo on international forums: it makes non-Americans ornery. And some Americans understand why.

I'm a "non-american" and I can understand a joke
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