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Old July 7th, 2011, 10:23 PM   #7081
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Despite the Alps being of similar height as the Rocky Mountains in the contiguous U.S., their ridges are much narrower, which means that you can get through the main chain using a 10-mile tunnel. This doesn't work in the Rocky Mountains, where the valleys are generally much higher and mountain ranges are significantly wider (longer) to cross. The highest freeway in the Alps is only at 4,200 feet, while it is not uncommon for Interstate 80 to be at 7,000+ feet.
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Old July 7th, 2011, 10:44 PM   #7082
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Yep. And I was surprised when I saw that I-70 climbs up to the same height as the highest peak of the Pyrenees: 3404 meters (That's it, 11168 feet) above sea level.
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Old July 8th, 2011, 08:32 AM   #7083
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Last part of I-80 into metro Sacramento, CA.

Ending at just under 100 m in altitude. Between Sacramento and the Bay area metro area, there are places with land that is below sea level.



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Old July 8th, 2011, 06:22 PM   #7084
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I-5 in north San Diego:
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Old July 9th, 2011, 07:22 AM   #7085
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Old July 9th, 2011, 08:45 AM   #7086
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Part 4, from the rest area to the outer edge of the Sacramento, CA metro area.



These two are an almost surreal ride through hills and pine forest, while keeping in mind that there is an over 2 km vertical drop on I-80 westbound from Donner Summit to Sacramento. I am still amazed that on its entire routing, I-80 only has three tunnels - one in Wyoming, one in Nevada and the other between the bridges on its crossing of San Francisco Bay and that none were needed in the Sierras.

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Thanks for putting up a vid of my hometown Mike. Doesnt look like much has changed in a few years.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 09:32 PM   #7087
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SR 520 in Washington State will be using hard shoulder running as an auxiliary lane for the first time once the westside of the bridge replacement scheme is completed. The shoulder will be 14 feet wide, and when in use, it will serve as a 12-foot lane with a 2-foot shoulder.

This sign will be used.



It is a compromise between the public, who want a narrower bridge, and WSDOT, who wants to minimized traffic impacts on surrounding surface streets.

The same concept is being considered for I-5 in Marysville.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 09:43 PM   #7088
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Actually, in WA they do enforce them. I knew two people who were fined because they were hogging the left lane on I-90 (2x2, rural area, Eastern WA). But then again, in WA people typically do not block left lanes to begin with.
I drove from Seattle to Leavenworth a few weeks ago and was surprised that I didn't have to overtake a single person on the right. People always stayed out of the left lane, except for one person. Just for fun, I flashed high-beams twice and signalled left towards the shoulder, and then he moved over.

Two weeks later when I roadtripped to Yakima, it was a different story. Multiple people (and even trucks) hogging the left lane throughout the trip. It's noticeable because the roadway gets fairly congested behind left-lane hoggers. Once you get past them, traffic spreads out again. I wish I'd gotten it on video.

The one thing I noticed though was that in 2 x 3 highways, the right lane is almost never used. In fact I did traffic counts once and found that the right lane consistently has the least amount of traffic in free-flow conditions. Another concern I had was that it is stated that the left lane may only be used for overtaking in Washington State law, but it doesn't address hogging the middle lane when the right lane is wide open. But then again, we have signs that say "Keep right except to pass", which implies moving as far right as possible. So which exactly is it?

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Old July 10th, 2011, 09:55 PM   #7089
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And speaking of the shoulder lane, yesterday, some driver actually passed me on the right shoulder lane on I-95.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 10:01 PM   #7090
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SR 520 in Washington State will be using hard shoulder running as an auxiliary lane for the first time once the westside of the bridge replacement scheme is completed. The shoulder will be 14 feet wide, and when in use, it will serve as a 12-foot lane with a 2-foot shoulder.

This sign will be used.



It is a compromise between the public, who want a narrower bridge, and WSDOT, who wants to minimized traffic impacts on surrounding surface streets.

The same concept is being considered for I-5 in Marysville.
Cool, the signs are exactly the same as used in the Netherlands since the 1990's. (except for the English language of course).

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Old July 10th, 2011, 10:04 PM   #7091
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The one thing I noticed though was that in 2 x 3 highways, the right lane is almost never used. In fact I did traffic counts once and found that the right lane consistently has the least amount of traffic in free-flow conditions.
I watch American highway videos often, and it never ceases to amaze me why people drive in the left lanes for no apparent reason. Sometimes the right lane is clear for miles, yet people stick to the middle or left lanes. Although we do have some left-lane hogging (and middle-lane sticking) in Europe as well, it's nowhere nearly as bad as in the United States.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 10:10 PM   #7092
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Cool, the signs are exactly the same as used in the Netherlands since the 1990's. (except for the English language of course).

Yeah, we're going to adopt them. WSDOT says ours is going to be written in Dutch as well.
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Old July 10th, 2011, 10:33 PM   #7093
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And speaking of the shoulder lane, yesterday, some driver actually passed me on the right shoulder lane on I-95.
Hell I've used the exit lane to pass people.

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I watch American highway videos often, and it never ceases to amaze me why people drive in the left lanes for no apparent reason. Sometimes the right lane is clear for miles, yet people stick to the middle or left lanes. Although we do have some left-lane hogging (and middle-lane sticking) in Europe as well, it's nowhere nearly as bad as in the United States.

It seems like in cities the right lane is always trying to take you off the freeway, seems like the most chaotic lane because people are entering slowly, merging stupidly, slowing down too much. One of my friends a while back on a road trip hogged the left lane for the entire trip...his explanation "I like the left lane." I love the "left lane for passing only signs" they've put up here in Texas but I think they should mount flashing lights on them for better effect.

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Old July 11th, 2011, 12:50 AM   #7094
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If we actually had proper driving education or enforcement our roads could be more efficient. If I'm sitting passenger in somebodies car and they are sitting in the left lane it annoys me so much I always say why are you sitting in the passing lane? Most people answer with confusion not knowing that was the passing lane, some argue its not. It never ceases to amaze me.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 04:56 AM   #7095
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SR 520 in Washington State will be using hard shoulder running as an auxiliary lane for the first time once the westside of the bridge replacement scheme is completed. The shoulder will be 14 feet wide, and when in use, it will serve as a 12-foot lane with a 2-foot shoulder.

This sign will be used.



It is a compromise between the public, who want a narrower bridge, and WSDOT, who wants to minimized traffic impacts on surrounding surface streets.

The same concept is being considered for I-5 in Marysville.
What is the current configuration of this road?
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Old July 11th, 2011, 05:04 AM   #7096
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Old July 11th, 2011, 05:48 AM   #7097
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Frankly, if I have three or more lanes available and traffic's heavyish, I'll usually stick to the lane next to the right one: you're not conflicting with entering and exiting traffic, or constantly changing lanes to pass. But I tend to drive a bit above the limit (say low 70s in a 65).

In an area where there are long gaps between exits, but still three lanes (say 95 in northeastern Maryland) I'll stick to the right more.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 01:36 PM   #7098
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I wonder how many people on this forum who complain about driving not on the right lane ever drove busy American urban freeway.
There are exit/entry ramps every mile or even less, plenty of traffic joining/leaving freeway. Add masses of slow trucks and you understand why people often avoid two right lanes on 5-6 lane urban freeways. I do it myself. Otherwise you constantly change lanes which is more dangerous than necessary.
Especially if you drive a bit faster than the limit

On the rural freeways it's entirely different matter. People still drive in the left even if right lane is empty. But I guess many people spend most of their time driving urban freeways and that's where they develop their driving habits. Unfortunately they drive on rural two lane roads in the same manner.
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Old July 11th, 2011, 02:45 PM   #7099
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Yep.
Although I was on 81 and the Pennsylvania Turnpike yesterday and most people stuck to the right.
I was - particularly on 81 - wondering what life would be like with a German-style Sunday truck ban, though....
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Old July 11th, 2011, 06:12 PM   #7100
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The Triborough Bridge in New York City turns 75 years today.

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