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Old July 19th, 2011, 11:15 PM   #7161
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Will someone please summarize this for me?

JetBlue offers cheap flights within LA for one day causing no one to drive?
The sequence of events was the other way around: a major freeway was closed over the weekend for construction; the public was warned for weeks in advance that driving would be a nightmare. This one airline took advantage of the occasion by offering cheap flights between airports in different parts of the area (25 miles/40 km apart, perhaps).
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Old July 20th, 2011, 08:36 AM   #7162
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Old July 20th, 2011, 02:43 PM   #7163
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The first freeway in Los Angeles turns 71 today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroyo_Seco_Parkway
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Old July 21st, 2011, 12:15 AM   #7164
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The first freeway in Los Angeles turns 71 today.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arroyo_Seco_Parkway
I love this freeway. It's VERY fast with a LOT of winding turns. Totally not modern at all (it hasn't changed since it was constructed) but it's so fun to drive.

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Old July 25th, 2011, 01:41 AM   #7165
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Old July 26th, 2011, 02:04 PM   #7166
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Old July 26th, 2011, 11:27 PM   #7167
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Maybe people who complain about left lane hogs are themselves speeding too much?

Just had to say it. The fast lane isn't for going 85 mph, its for passing cars that have just entered the road.

If you are driving on a long trip and have to go past a town on a bypass, is it wrong to stay in the left lane and travel at little over the proper speed limit so you don't have to repeatedly slow, shift lane, accelerate, every time a truck gets on the highway?
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Old July 27th, 2011, 06:36 AM   #7168
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Not trying to be rude or anything... but do we have to talk about lane discipline every five seconds?
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Old July 27th, 2011, 08:15 AM   #7169
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Not trying to be rude or anything... but do we have to talk about lane discipline every five seconds?
Nope.

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Old July 27th, 2011, 08:22 AM   #7170
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Old July 27th, 2011, 10:47 AM   #7171
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Old July 27th, 2011, 03:14 PM   #7172
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Old July 27th, 2011, 08:32 PM   #7173
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If you are driving on a long trip and have to go past a town on a bypass, is it wrong to stay in the left lane and travel at little over the proper speed limit so you don't have to repeatedly slow, shift lane, accelerate, every time a truck gets on the highway?
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Old July 27th, 2011, 08:34 PM   #7174
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Yes, that's called driving. If you want to sit in a vehicle without having to do any traffic manoeuvres take the bus or train.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 03:21 AM   #7175
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I'm currently asking WSDOT to consider 6-inch (15cm) lane markings and 8-inch (7.6cm) edge lines. Apparently it's been talked about before in WSDOT.

Another thing I'm trying to generate discussion on is the use of all-white pavement markings on dual carriageways. The feds have resisted that, but they recently set minimum retroflectivity standards on the MUTCD and yellow markings are having a much harder time meeting the requirements.

Obviously, all-white pavement markings for all roads are out of the question in the short-term, but there's no reason why dual carriageways can't use all-white markings.

Oddly enough, this seems like exactly what Finland is doing.

But first things first, and in my opinion we need to increase the width of our markings first.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 07:16 AM   #7176
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I'm currently asking WSDOT to consider 6-inch (15cm) lane markings and 8-inch (7.6cm) edge lines. Apparently it's been talked about before in WSDOT.
In this economy, forget about it. They will simply not want to spend more money on paint. I remember that I-80 in Nevada had much wider lane marking than other states, but the corresponding regulations have been there for a while too.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 07:41 AM   #7177
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In this economy, forget about it. They will simply not want to spend more money on paint. I remember that I-80 in Nevada had much wider lane marking than other states, but the corresponding regulations have been there for a while too.
You never know. Pavement marking costs can vary greatly, even for the same type of pavement marking. I've seen costs of raised pavement markings (botts dots/turtles) vary by a magnitude as high as two times for different agencies.

Not to mention, the profiled markings that WSDOT uses costs a great deal more than regular flat plastic markings.



I'm going to send this in:

For lane markings:
• Flat 6 inches instead of profiled 4 inches
• 20 feet in length with 40 feet spacing (1:2 ratio) instead of 15 feet in length with 45 feet spacing (1:3 ratio). Reduces gap and increases visibility
• Use extra length/visibility of lane markings to compensate for elimination of profiled markings and reflectors.

For edge markings:
• Flat 12-inch right edge, flat 12-inch left edge, or
• Flat 12-inch right edge, flat 8-inch left edge, or (right edge line wider than left edge line because drivers sit on the left side of the car, making right edge line more difficult to see, especially on crowned roadways), or
• Flat 8-inch right edge, flat 8-inch left edge
• White (preferred) or yellow (standard) left edge markings

Possible cost savings through:
• Elimination of RPMs and reflectors
• Elimination of profiled markings
• Possible reduction in maintenance costs due to more visible markings that maintain visibility for a longer period
• Use of white left-edge markings retains retroflectivity longer than yellow markings
• Snow-plow safe

Qualitative benefits:
• Improved visibility for all drivers, especially older drivers
• Improved visibility during adverse weather conditions
• Elimination of profiled markings reduces “shadow” caused by raised bumps, improving visibility and reducing costs
• Reduces motorist’s reliance on vibrations to stay in lane and places emphasis on attention to driving and situational awareness.
• Reverses trend of motorists becoming “too used” to vibrations to stay in lane, leading them to take attention off the road.
• Allows profiled markings to be used as special emphasis tools only in necessary conditions (tunnels, narrow lanes, etc.)
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 08:15 AM   #7178
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If you are driving on a long trip and have to go past a town on a bypass, is it wrong to stay in the left lane and travel at little over the proper speed limit so you don't have to repeatedly slow, shift lane, accelerate, every time a truck gets on the highway?
Why, yes, it is wrong. You can mitigate the wrongness by yielding to faster cars coming up behind you, thus not being a left lane hog.
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 09:56 AM   #7179
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Old August 2nd, 2011, 06:11 PM   #7180
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Having a white line on the left side of a divided highway would increase visibility, but only slightly, and more importantly, the yellow line makes it far easier to distinguish at a glance which side of the road is which without needing additional signage or arrow markings.
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