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Old February 21st, 2012, 05:47 PM   #7821
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What will happend to the old bridge
The old bridge is going to be demolished.

Anyways can't wait to see that span be finally completed.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 05:42 PM   #7822
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^ It must be demolished since it is seismically unsafe, which is why they had to build a new bridge.

Although some architects have called for adaptive reuse:




http://io9.com/5359254/william-gibso...ld-become-real


http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/22782
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:29 PM   #7823
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The old bridge is nicer, shame they couldn't build a replica
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 08:38 PM   #7824
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The old bridge is nicer, shame they couldn't build a replica
I agree, I like the old bridge over the new one design wise.
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Old February 22nd, 2012, 09:41 PM   #7825
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looks like some sort of barnacle that only grows by right angles growing off of the bridge in that first render!
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 12:09 AM   #7826
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I agree, I like the old bridge over the new one design wise.
Well, Gov. (at the time) Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted the bridge to be just a simple causeway. I'm glad THAT didn't happen. I think this design also allows for much more flexibility in a earthquake - one of their primary concerns.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:38 AM   #7827
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^ It must be demolished since it is seismically unsafe, which is why they had to build a new bridge.

Although some architects have called for adaptive reuse:




http://io9.com/5359254/william-gibso...ld-become-real


http://blog.archpaper.com/wordpress/archives/22782
Holy ****, it looks like a cancerous growth.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 01:48 AM   #7828
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Hell it looks like all those apartments are gonna fall off once a big earthquake hits.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 03:14 AM   #7829
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looks like some sort of barnacle that only grows by right angles growing off of the bridge in that first render!
Yeah those are terrible.. If the bridge is unsafe then bye bye it goes.

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Well, Gov. (at the time) Arnold Schwarzenegger wanted the bridge to be just a simple causeway. I'm glad THAT didn't happen. I think this design also allows for much more flexibility in a earthquake - one of their primary concerns.
The governator is an idiot so that doesn't surprise me. This by no means a bad design but too much causeway for an iconic city like SF. A city like SF has few major bridges but I'd expect them all to have an iconic design.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 06:02 PM   #7830
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As I understand it, the way the bridge is designed was because on the existing bridge, westbound to San Francisco is on the top deck where you get nice views and eastbound to Oakland is on the lower deck which is like driving in a tunnel with windows. Oakland figured since they had the opportunity, they called for the bridge to not be stacked so both directions were open air. Also, since San Francisco is known for suspension bridges, the Oakland side wanted one too, so they came up with the self anchored design, which I think is quite nice. The old one definitely does not look good in person and I pray earthquakes won't happen every second I am on that half of the bridge. In addition, the rather outspoken biking population got a bike path added to the new bridge, however the older western half of the bridge will not have a path, so this path only goes to Yerba Buena/Treasure Islands.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 06:20 PM   #7831
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^ There are plans to add a bike lane to the existing western span, but no funding yet:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...BAMD1MBLAU.DTL
http://www.sfbike.org/?baybridge
http://www.donaldmacdonaldarchitects...BB_west1.html#
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 06:50 PM   #7832
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It's technically probably not very challenging, they can just use clip-ons.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 07:27 PM   #7833
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It's technically probably not very challenging, they can just use clip-ons.
The funding is always the most challenging part
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 10:07 PM   #7834
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Which is why it's funny to read about people clamoring for 'iconic' designs. Just be glad you're getting a new bridge in this day and age.
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Old February 23rd, 2012, 10:18 PM   #7835
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The Springfield Interchange with nearly no traffic.

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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:12 AM   #7836
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^ Looks like earmarks to me.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 05:42 AM   #7837
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^ Looks like earmarks to me.
That section of the DC beltway is nearly always congested, hence the need for that interchange.

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This is an example of how traffic levels normally are at the Springfield Interchange during rush hour.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 06:35 AM   #7838
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What's the deal? It does not seem to be closed because I see cars.

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Old February 24th, 2012, 07:51 AM   #7839
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What's the deal? It does not seem to be closed because I see cars.
I believe it was related to the construction of the Woodrow Wilson drawbridge replacement as the portion of the beltway east of the Springfield Interchange was closed off for a while (I think one or two days) because of construction.
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Old February 24th, 2012, 03:50 PM   #7840
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Ah, the Springfield Interchange.

I remember many a day going south on 95/495 from Maryland and thinking that I'll have a smooth drive to my hometown... and then averaging 13 MPH between the Franconia-Springfield Parkway interchange and the Stafford County line.

For seemingly no reason.
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