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Old May 25th, 2012, 05:08 PM   #8001
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Did you happen to make it up to Tennessee? Only 2 hours or so north and very worth it! I love the highways in Atlanta, I've driven through there quite a few times, the size never fails to impress me. I get a rush driving through those massive highways at 80mph/125km/h, probably the only major city where all the traffic can do such speeds all the way through the city center. Those tolls are so cheap!
Yes, I did go to Chattanooga, Lynchburg and then to Nashville.
Freeways of Atlanta are really impressive but system of only one ring road and all the major routes going through the city is not the most effective. I heard that traffic jams can be epic in Atlanta.
On the downtown connector traffic slowed down to something about 50mph even if it was not during the rush hour.
80mph? It had to be middle of the night when you did it
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Old May 25th, 2012, 05:14 PM   #8002
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The Atlanta metropolitan area grows by 100,000 people each year, and infrastructure spending has been impressive from time to time, but was generally unable to keep up with population = traffic growth.

Traffic volumes outside the I-285 are sometimes just as high as in downtown. Atlanta grew into a multi-hub city in the past decades, and traffic volumes actually decreased quite significantly on the Downtown Connector, while they exploded on I-75, I-85 and I-285, especially in the northern half of the metro area.

Atlanta is a statistical outlier due to its very low density, it's considerably less dense than the next 10 or 20 least dense major metropolitan areas. Considering Atlanta's traffic patterns are somewhat comparable to Houston, it should have expanded its hub and spoke system. It was a major mistake to not construct a second beltway in the 1970's/1980's.
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Old May 25th, 2012, 08:39 PM   #8003
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MARTA expansion is supposed to take care of that

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Old May 25th, 2012, 09:18 PM   #8004
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Yes, I did go to Chattanooga, Lynchburg and then to Nashville.
Freeways of Atlanta are really impressive but system of only one ring road and all the major routes going through the city is not the most effective. I heard that traffic jams can be epic in Atlanta.
On the downtown connector traffic slowed down to something about 50mph even if it was not during the rush hour.
80mph? It had to be middle of the night when you did it
Well this is true lol. You have to time it right to make it through downtown doing that. Generally from 11am-2pm or after 7pm you can make it through with no issues! I would only slow down when my phone showed police ahead or if I visibly saw police in the distance, for the most part I was going with the flow of traffic though. However I should add it takes some lane changing, but I'm Polish so you know how we drive.

I love driving the mountain roads of Chattanooga or I-24 to Nashville is just awesome!

This video the speeds were 70-85mph.


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Old May 26th, 2012, 02:44 AM   #8005
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The Atlanta metropolitan area grows by 100,000 people each year, and infrastructure spending has been impressive from time to time, but was generally unable to keep up with population = traffic growth.

Traffic volumes outside the I-285 are sometimes just as high as in downtown. Atlanta grew into a multi-hub city in the past decades, and traffic volumes actually decreased quite significantly on the Downtown Connector, while they exploded on I-75, I-85 and I-285, especially in the northern half of the metro area.

Atlanta is a statistical outlier due to its very low density, it's considerably less dense than the next 10 or 20 least dense major metropolitan areas. Considering Atlanta's traffic patterns are somewhat comparable to Houston, it should have expanded its hub and spoke system. It was a major mistake to not construct a second beltway in the 1970's/1980's.
You mean this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outer_Perimeter
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Old May 26th, 2012, 04:34 AM   #8006
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It was a major mistake to not construct a second beltway in the 1970's/1980's.
OR, the region could not destroy its environment, adopt efficient land use policies and invest in mass transit.

You cannot build yourself out of congestion. Atlanta is a premier example of this. Its freeways are 10+ lanes and they still get more and more clogged with traffic.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 04:35 AM   #8007
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MARTA expansion is supposed to take care of that

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Who said that? NOBODY. Building more roads, destroying more land, and jeopardizing the air and water quality of the region is not the answer.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 05:09 AM   #8008
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OR, the region could not destroy its environment, adopt efficient land use policies and invest in mass transit.

You cannot build yourself out of congestion. Atlanta is a premier example of this. Its freeways are 10+ lanes and they still get more and more clogged with traffic.
Well the reason they have so many lanes and still have traffic problems is because of the few alternatives. If you have a select few roads for all the cars to pack onto then you get bad congestion even with plenty of lanes. My metro has the same issue.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 10:29 AM   #8009
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You cannot build yourself out of congestion. Atlanta is a premier example of this. Its freeways are 10+ lanes and they still get more and more clogged with traffic.
Atlanta has not opened any new freeway mileage since there were approximately 3 million people less. No surprise traffic congestion has increased there. It's one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in the United States.

You cannot eliminate all congestion, but simply sitting on your butt and do nothing is certainly not going to solve things. With that kind of "logic" Atlanta may as well have had only two four-lane freeways "because it's useless to build anymore". A growing city needs a growing infrastructure, it's as easy as that. No city can function without road infrastructure.

Atlanta needs a large system of 4-lane HOT lanes, while preserving the existing "free" capacity. Not converting existing HOV into HOT lanes which is not going to add any capacity.
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Old May 26th, 2012, 04:52 PM   #8010
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Old May 26th, 2012, 05:40 PM   #8011
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Old May 27th, 2012, 02:36 AM   #8012
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or call it I-41 between GB and the Zoo Interchange in Milwaukee because thats cheapest and most logical
Pretty sure the blue shield signs cost the same whether the number on them is 41 or 55.
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Old May 27th, 2012, 04:35 AM   #8013
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Pretty sure the blue shield signs cost the same whether the number on them is 41 or 55
yes, but if the road gets renamed to I-55 or other they want to have those labels all the way to Illinois...otherwords instead of between GB and Milwaukee, they want the new label between GB and Illinois.
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Old May 27th, 2012, 06:34 AM   #8014
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yes, but if the road gets renamed to I-55 or other they want to have those labels all the way to Illinois...otherwords instead of between GB and Milwaukee, they want the new label between GB and Illinois.
Fair enough. A valid point.

Or, as I've seen proposed, just renumber it as a 3di and call it a day. x94 or something like that.

Ever since I-74 opened in NC, duplicating Interstate numbers over US routes has bothered me for some reason.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 01:02 AM   #8015
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The Atlanta metropolitan area grows by 100,000 people each year, and infrastructure spending has been impressive from time to time, but was generally unable to keep up with population = traffic growth.

Traffic volumes outside the I-285 are sometimes just as high as in downtown. Atlanta grew into a multi-hub city in the past decades, and traffic volumes actually decreased quite significantly on the Downtown Connector, while they exploded on I-75, I-85 and I-285, especially in the northern half of the metro area.

Atlanta is a statistical outlier due to its very low density, it's considerably less dense than the next 10 or 20 least dense major metropolitan areas. Considering Atlanta's traffic patterns are somewhat comparable to Houston, it should have expanded its hub and spoke system. It was a major mistake to not construct a second beltway in the 1970's/1980's.
When I was down there, people used to tell me "it takes half an hour to get anywhere". LOL.

I think the problem is the huge localization, lots of local governments competing with each other and not enough concrete regional/state issues. Atlanta proper is less than 10% of the metro area so it doesn't have enough sway.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 02:10 AM   #8016
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Atlanta has not opened any new freeway mileage since there were approximately 3 million people less. No surprise traffic congestion has increased there. It's one of the fastest growing metropolitan areas in the United States.

You cannot eliminate all congestion, but simply sitting on your butt and do nothing is certainly not going to solve things. With that kind of "logic" Atlanta may as well have had only two four-lane freeways "because it's useless to build anymore". A growing city needs a growing infrastructure, it's as easy as that. No city can function without road infrastructure.

Atlanta needs a large system of 4-lane HOT lanes, while preserving the existing "free" capacity. Not converting existing HOV into HOT lanes which is not going to add any capacity.
It's not like nothing has been done to improve congestion in Atlanta over the past 20 years. Actually Atlanta is not even in the top 10 worst traffic cities anymore, after years of being in the top 5 annually...so the changes that have occurred have apparently helped.

In July the 10 main counties of the Atlanta region will vote on a regional transportation referendum to assess a one-percent sales tax for $6.14 billion in improvements, including several mass transit projects (http://www.ajc.com/news/georgia-poli...4-1200104.html). Passage of this referendum is crucial to Atlanta's future growth and appeal.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 03:07 AM   #8017
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Last bit for tonight.

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Time to head back to the airport

I go to domestic terminal because that's where car rental center is located

I like clear signage where to go where you return a car

Car rental center, quite impressive structure.
I heart Atlanta. The Downtown Connector gets so close to Atlanta's CBD -- it makes for such a cool drive. Thanks for the pics.
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Old May 28th, 2012, 10:43 AM   #8018
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It's not like nothing has been done to improve congestion in Atlanta over the past 20 years. Actually Atlanta is not even in the top 10 worst traffic cities anymore, after years of being in the top 5 annually...so the changes that have occurred have apparently helped.
Traffic patterns have changed quite a bit in recent years. About 10 years ago, up to 365,000 vehicles used the Downtown Connector, which has plunged to 290,000. That's an unprecedented drop in traffic volumes. And if traffic on the Downtown Connector has been reduced, it also must've been reduced on the radial routes.

Like most major metropolitan areas, Atlanta is getting its job centers more dispersed, especially with the rise of sub centers like Buckhead, Marietta, the Airport or Sandy Springs. On I-75 and I-85, traffic volumes are higher outside the Perimeter than inside (apart from the downtown connector itself). However, the Perimeter is pretty bad, they're planning a major overhaul with HOT lanes on the northern side.
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I-95 Delaware

The I-95 toll plaza in Delaware has been changed in 2011, with express lanes for E-ZPass users.

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Old May 28th, 2012, 03:51 PM   #8020
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Never been through that toll plaza. Shunpiking FTW.
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