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Old June 18th, 2012, 07:05 PM   #8141
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For most travelers from the Eastern Seaboard in the southeast, especially those heading to DC on up, I-81 is way too far out of the way to be a viable detour.

Speaking of I-81, I remember plans for tolled truck lanes on the route. I don't know if that's still on the table or not.
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Old June 18th, 2012, 10:09 PM   #8142
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Hmm. Now that I think of it, there's at least one place in France - or is it Germany? - where trucks only pay a toll. I'm sure Chris knows (Maybe I'm thinking of having read about trucks diverting through Alsace on the (free) A35 to avoid a toll in Germany?)
Yes, the German LKW-Maut. Trucks pay for every mile driven on an Autobahn and a few selected non-Autobahns. But it replaced other taxes (and it was of course a huge increase of revenue, otherwise they wouldn't do it).

But that's Europe, where freeways are full of milking cows. In the United States, gas taxes barely cover regular maintenance and minor projects you can't toll. There really is no other way to finance large projects other than with tolls or local tax raises nowadays. I'd like to mention the transportation vote in metro Atlanta next month.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:07 AM   #8143
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North Carolina also wants to toll I-95. I believe short-distance traffic may indeed avoid I-95, but I doubt if many people are willing to drive 200 or 300 miles on two-lane roads to avoid the tolls.
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Former Governor (of Pennsylvania) Ed Rendell wanted to toll I-80 and was vetoed by the feds several times. It would be unfair, after that, to now allow Virginia and/or North Carolina to do it (but I didn't approve of it when it was a Rendell proposal either). And this isn't a partisan issue - current governor of Virginia's a Republican, Rendell's a Democrat - except insofar as...[self-censored, since I've complained recently about politics infecting this forum].
Rumors of tolling I-95 here in Connecticut comes around every now and then, but it never happens.

Unlike those roads, it was once a toll road in the past. I like that we don't have tolls unlike Mass or NY so I'm not for it. If you don't have an EZpass, tolls are a pain. And it would likely be the barrier system which would just add to gridlock on that mess of a highway anyway. I also heard of ideas of putting a toll booth on the borders but I don't know how that would work.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 05:50 PM   #8144
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I-95 Trenton

The FHWA issued a FONSI (Finding of No Significant Impact) for the I-95 project near Trenton, New Jersey. The I-95 project consists of the widening of the freeway from 4 to 6 lanes in Pennsylvania and the replacement of the Scudders Falls Bridge across the Delaware River, which forms the boundary between Pennsylvania and New Jersey.

The new bridge will be 3 times as wide as the current bridge, which is a 1961 four-lane bridge with no shoulders. The new bridge will feature 2x3 lanes, a bicycle/pedestrian path, shoulders, 1 auxiliary southbound lane and 2 auxiliary northbound lanes. This connects to the six-lane section of I-95 in New Jersey. The section in Pennsylvania has space for 2x4 lanes due to projected left shoulders.

The project cost is $ 322 million and will be paid for by tolls by the 76,000 daily users of this bridge.

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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:08 PM   #8145
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toll bridges again
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:15 PM   #8146
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I use that one a few times a month, traveling between here and my parents'.

But it's easy to avoid; there are lots of free bridges in the area:

https://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&l...31664&t=m&z=13
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:28 PM   #8147
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I think it says a lot about the current budgets that even relatively minor projects like these have to be tolled in order to get the funding. What's $ 300 million for states like PA and NJ? Pocket money.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:34 PM   #8148
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If I'm not mistaken, that bridge belongs to the Delaware River Joint Toll Bridge Commission (which also runs toll bridges farther upriver, on US 202, I-78, US 22, I-80....) so they've sort of been doing us a favor all these years by not charging for it.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 07:36 PM   #8149
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Yep, it belong to that commission. I wonder how this is possible because the bridge is a post-1956 Interstate Highway.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 08:11 PM   #8150
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Says here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scudder_Falls_Bridge , under History) it wasn't originally part of the Interstate system. That's not explained, unfortunately, but I think 95 may have been originally supposed to go through Trenton.
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Old June 19th, 2012, 08:15 PM   #8151
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I think it says a lot about the current budgets that even relatively minor projects like these have to be tolled in order to get the funding. What's $ 300 million for states like PA and NJ? Pocket money.
Both of those states are broke and their governments won't raise taxes so I guess this is the only way to go, bar larger federal funding.

You get what you pay for.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:44 AM   #8152
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Says here ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scudder_Falls_Bridge , under History) it wasn't originally part of the Interstate system. That's not explained, unfortunately, but I think 95 may have been originally supposed to go through Trenton.
They discuss it here pretty well, along with the fate of original I-95 through NJ.

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Pennsylvania initially sought to route I-95 across the Delaware River along the Trenton Toll Bridge, then north through Trenton along the Trenton Freeway. New Jersey, however, opposed this routing on the basis of the physical and capacity constraints on the four-lane bridge and freeway. The two states jointly investigated three alternative river crossings: Scudder Falls (west of Trenton), existing Trenton Toll Bridge-Trenton Freeway (through downtown), and Biles Island (east of Trenton). After further study, the two states approved the Scudder Falls alignment in 1960.
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Old June 20th, 2012, 07:33 PM   #8153
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Speaking of bridges, the new SF Bay Bridge east span's cable compaction is now complete. They are now installing the suspender cables. The bridge is scheduled to open Labor Day 2013.








http://www.mtc.ca.gov/news/current_t...fobb_cable.htm
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Old June 26th, 2012, 11:21 AM   #8154
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I-35W Fort Wort, Texas

Another "Everything's Bigger in Texas" project. I-35W in Fort Worth.



At downtown Fort Worth:

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at 121 freeway.

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Bridge across the Trinity River.

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North Fort Worth: from 4 to 16 lanes.

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Old June 27th, 2012, 06:33 AM   #8155
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Spotted a Google Maps car today on I-275 in Cincinnati. Taking higher res pictures maybe? Current street view quality for Cincinnati really sucks...



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Old June 27th, 2012, 06:57 AM   #8156
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Epic.
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Old June 27th, 2012, 10:01 PM   #8157
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^ The Fort Worth freeway expansion looks absolutely ridiculous. Wayyy over the top.

Nice San Diego freeway video - exactly what a Southern Cali freeway should look like.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 02:19 AM   #8158
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Holy shit I can't get over the highways in Texas, just amazing! I see a road trip to Dallas in the near future. I'm sure its changed big time even since I lived there 7 years ago.
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Old June 28th, 2012, 03:45 AM   #8159
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And Houston.

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Old June 30th, 2012, 03:29 AM   #8160
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Proposed I-92 East-west Highway
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