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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:16 PM   #8681
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They're thinking of taking New Amsterdam back.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:24 PM   #8682
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They're thinking of taking New Amsterdam back.
Why not just legalize cannabis like Washington and Colorado did?
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Old January 25th, 2013, 06:47 PM   #8683
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Like Washington and Colorado (or their electorates) think they did. Federal law trumps.

But what does that have to do with the Dutch wanting to take back New York?
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Old January 26th, 2013, 08:03 AM   #8684
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I know that this is simply an example, but seeing this pic makes me laugh since I do regularly go down IRL.

Of course IRL, the state highway sign in CT is a square, and the exit is 33, not 49. And the control city for 72 is Bristol, not Plainville.

CTDOT does need to replace a lot of it's signs in the Hartford area though, they are barely readable at night.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 11:37 AM   #8685
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I-676 Benjamin Franklin Bridge, Philadelphia

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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:08 PM   #8686
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I just realized that I-75 nb has the Macinac Bridge listed as a control city on a BGS at exit 188. It's the first time I've ever seen a bridge listed as a long distance control city. Has anyone else seen this in other parts of the U.S.? I've seen it locally in cities close to the bridge or tunnel indicated but at this point on I-75 Macinac Bridge is about 160 miles away.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 10:25 PM   #8687
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There are references to the Delaware Memorial Bridge (or "Del Mem Br") on I-295 in New Jersey in the Cherry Hill-Camden area. But we're talking 30 miles or so from the bridge....

Off Interstates, I believe the Chesapeake Bay Bridge (the one near Annapolis, not the bridge/tunnel near Norfolk) shows up a good distance from the bridge on US 301, it may be the control point for 301 southbound in Maryland east of the bay. (But not in Delaware, I think: at the "top" of 301, at US 40 south of Newark, Del., you see "Annapolis.") I'd guess that's the case on US 50 as well.
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Old January 29th, 2013, 11:36 PM   #8688
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US Department of Transportation secretary Ray LaHood is either fired or resigning for a second term.

http://www.dot.gov/briefing-room/us-...ve-second-term
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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:00 AM   #8689
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It reads like a resignation. Lots of Cabinet members resign at the end of a President's term, even when he's reelected. (Look at Hillary Clinton, and she's not the only one who's left in the last few weeks.)
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Old January 30th, 2013, 07:11 AM   #8690
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Yep he quit: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...10a3_blog.html
As Penn said, mass resignations of Cabinet posts and staffers is normal after any presidential (re)election.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 12:46 PM   #8691
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Regarding the arrows on signage:

I do not like the mixture of downward arrows for straight ahead, and upward angled arrows for exits. I prefer simply downward arrows above each lane, with more diagrammatic representations of the exit at the side of the road (or on larger sections, also at the median). Much like the British motorway system, although this too is often violated with upward arrows on above lane gantries.

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At the roadside or in the median


Above the roadway, at any point
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I do not like this


Alternatively, Sweden have a decent upward arrow sysem
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Such signs do not tell you anything about the exit configuration in advance. Especially whether there are 1 or 2 exit lanes or a taper configuration.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 01:53 PM   #8693
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Why would they not? A gantry placed before the exit lane becomes two would still sign that lane as an exit. With the proper placement of the corresponding destination/route signs above the downwards arrows, you can be quite sure of where your lane will take you. Drivers will prefer that to knowing the exact configuration of an exit.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 03:13 PM   #8694
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In case of taper exits, it increases the capacity of the exit if you know in advance whether there are 1 or 2 exit lanes. This can only be achieved by standing arrows. By the time you can install an overhead sign with two falling arrows everyone has queued behind exiting traffic, obstructing the flow of through traffic. Knowing the exit configuration improves traffic flow. A trial in the Netherlands showed traffic speeds were higher and congestion began later and solved earlier with standing arrows than with the situation with falling arrows.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:05 PM   #8695
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Regarding the arrows on signage:

I do not like the mixture of downward arrows for straight ahead, and upward angled arrows for exits. I prefer simply downward arrows above each lane, with more diagrammatic representations of the exit at the side of the road (or on larger sections, also at the median). Much like the British motorway system, although this too is often violated with upward arrows on above lane gantries.

What I like:
At the roadside or in the median
My objection to this sort of thing is that if you read it from the top, as you'd usually read anything, the exits aren't in the order you'll come to them.


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Above the roadway, at any point
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Feh. British motorway gantries are among the ugliest things on the planet.


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I do not like this
It's not showing for me.


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Alternatively, Sweden have a decent upward arrow sysem
This one, I have nothing to say about. :-)

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Old January 30th, 2013, 04:49 PM   #8696
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My objection to this sort of thing is that if you read it from the top, as you'd usually read anything, the exits aren't in the order you'll come to them.
You are from a country that writes XING PED on the road - I don't think you should speak about order of words on signs!

Given that fork signs are vertical representations of a horizontal reality, with where you are always at the bottom. This is consistent throughout all UK diagrammatic directional signage (and almost all signage everywhere) - cut through the poles and lay it flat face up and everything is in the correct order!

In the US, and this is what Exethalion's main point seemed to be, straight on are downward arrows, and turn off upward.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:46 PM   #8697
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Well, I am not personally responsible for XING PED (and am trying to remember the last time I saw one...), so I don't see why it should preclude me from having personal opinions about, um, asynchronous signs. Or ugly gantries. :-P

But at least in that instance, the fact that you're sort of climbing up the text from the bottom, as it were, encourages you to read the bottom word first.

Actually, I'm not sure how uniform American treatment of this sort of thing is. Between being a federal country and every state not changing all its signs every time the national standard is updated, there's a lot out there. I do understand Exethalion's point. But generally, the signage works. If only because we're used to it.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 08:31 PM   #8698
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A tornado is reported to have hit many cars on I-75. Information about its true extent is sketchy at the moment,.
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