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Old March 21st, 2015, 09:19 AM   #10441
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I'm pretty convinced that 90% of NYC's interstate highways would not be considered interstates today if they weren't grandfathered into the system. No shoulder or breakdown lanes. You are screwed there if you ever get into an accident.

Even more dangerous is I-278 in Brooklyn and Queens.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 06:06 PM   #10442
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Even here in LA, most of the highways feel very narrow and antiquated. The exit ramps are tiny.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 07:11 PM   #10443
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All the old cities in the North East - have this problem. their roads are incredibly outdated and there is no way of building anything new there unless you clear something out.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 10:40 PM   #10444
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In the UK motorways are becoming more and more substandard thanks to so called "Smart Motorways". They include section of motorway that are controlled to allow hard shoulders to be used by traffic during busy periods through the use of variable signage. On other sections hard shoulders are being removed altogether to provide an extra lane.

Essentially this is a poor penny pinching replacement of physical road widening proposals.

So ou busiest set of motorways are being substandardised with the hope that monitoring and variable lane and speed technology will make up for a lack of emergency lanes.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 11:00 PM   #10445
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They've been (mostly) a roaring success, dealing with pinchpoints and other congestion without as much capital outlay, and thus much more of the network has been able to be widened.

Shoulders increasingly seem to be 20th century necessities, but 21st century wastes of money - with refuges doing the job of dealing with broken down vehicles nearly as well, and CCTV able to act in case of emergency picking up most of the slack!

The M6 through Birmingham would have cost a fortune to widen properly, due to being mostly on viaduct or steep embankment.


Now sure, would it have been better to properly widen these motorways? Absolutely, but money doesn't grow on trees and cheap and cheerful has helped make up for years of under investment much quicker than full widening would have. Also the additional cost (serious money) of full widening wouldn't be worth the benefit of having a hard shoulder.

And it's not like widened-properly (or near enough - the M25 has all sorts of incomplete shoulders) motorways don't also get the 'Smart' Treatment as they are widened - the bits of the M25 widened to 4 proper lanes got all the Smart motorway stuff, as did the Heathrow section (which had the precursor beforehand) - what they don't have is hard shoulder running.

Hopefully in 10 years time, we end up pulling a Dutch approach, where we just go all out on widening (having done the piecemeal approach) and have schemes that add two or three lanes in one go.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 11:08 PM   #10446
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Interstate 595

The Interstate 595 west of Fort Lauderdale has been widened with reversible express lanes.

Just take a look at this complex interchange between I-595, Florida's Turnpike and US 441.


A little further west, a massive cross-section of frontage roads, ramps, general purpose lanes and reversible express lanes.
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Old March 21st, 2015, 11:11 PM   #10447
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Roadgeeks get wet dreams about Toronto but, not so much anymore
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Old March 23rd, 2015, 09:52 PM   #10448
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I-69, Texas

Construction will begin this fall on a new segment of Interstate 69 in Fort Bend County, just outside Houston. They will convert a 10 mile segment of US 59 to a freeway. It runs around the village of Beasley, just southwest of Rosenberg, currently the farthest suburb of Houston in this area. The project cost is $ 146 million and will be completed in late 2018. Fort Bend County is growing very fast, it added 300,000 people since 2000.

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Old March 25th, 2015, 07:27 PM   #10449
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I-69, Houston, TX

Interstate 69 will be designated along US 59 within I-610 in Houston.
State transportation officials on Thursday are scheduled to designate U.S. 59 within Loop 610 as part of Interstate 69, linking previously-dedicated segments to create a 75-mile stretch of the new freeway, which is actually made out of old freeways.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 01:30 AM   #10450
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They basically just have to replace the signs there, I guess.
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Old March 26th, 2015, 02:14 AM   #10451
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Looks like it... in this video, US 59 already appears to be Interstate-standard through the center of the city.

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Old March 26th, 2015, 09:36 PM   #10452
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A girder of an under construction bridge across I-35 in Salado, Texas collapsed today.

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Old March 27th, 2015, 04:37 PM   #10453
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Interstate 69 will be designated along US 59 within I-610 in Houston.
State transportation officials on Thursday are scheduled to designate U.S. 59 within Loop 610 as part of Interstate 69, linking previously-dedicated segments to create a 75-mile stretch of the new freeway, which is actually made out of old freeways.
http://blog.chron.com/thehighwayman/...ely-to-notice/

So was there a gap in 69 or the beltway assigned that number?
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Old March 27th, 2015, 04:37 PM   #10454
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I-74 bridge project

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It’s a project that’s been in the works for years. Now, an update from both sides of the river on plans for the new I-74 bridge. Community leaders got a breakdown of the timeline for work over the next six years on Wednesday. They’re excited to already see some progress.

Iowa and Illinois Department of Transportation officials updated the Bi-State Regional Commission on the project’s progress. At this point, purchases of property to make way for the new bridge are completely done in Bettendorf with some still to go in Moline.
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Old March 27th, 2015, 04:52 PM   #10455
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So was there a gap in 69 or the beltway assigned that number?
There was no I-69 signed through Houston (within or along I-610) until now. So, I-69 is now continuous for 75 miles through the metro area.
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Old March 28th, 2015, 03:28 AM   #10456
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those ramps would provide the best sledding in the world!
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Old April 1st, 2015, 10:52 AM   #10457
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A 1939 color video of the Arroyo Seco Freeway in Los Angeles metro

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Old April 2nd, 2015, 06:10 PM   #10458
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A 1939 color video of the Arroyo Seco Freeway in Los Angeles metro

Wonderful find. I wonder why the road is two-colored? And the ramps are steep!
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Old April 2nd, 2015, 06:48 PM   #10459
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According to wiki the different colours were to mark seperate lanes.

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The highway was designed with two 11–12*foot (3.4-3.7*m) lanes and one ten-foot (3.0*m)*shoulder*in each direction, with the wider inside (passing) lanes paved in black*asphalt concrete*and the outside lanes paved in gray*Portland cement concrete. The differently-colored lanes would encourage drivers to stay in their lanes. (By mid-1939, the state had decided to replace the shoulders with additional travel lanes for increased capacity; except on a short piece in South Pasadena, these were also paved with Portland cement.*
As for the steep on and off ramps....it's 1939
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Old April 4th, 2015, 12:58 AM   #10460
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59 is certainly freeway standard thoughout the portion inside the Loop, but it is not interstate standard, especially the portion through downtown Houston.
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