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Old September 6th, 2007, 09:46 AM   #1121
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I saw a special on this exact thing happening about 10 years ago on NBC Dateline. Family from California was down in the Baja and got in an accident and the dad got thrown in Jail.

http://studentsafety.ucsd.edu/mexico_tips.asp

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You said it. 10 years ago there was not that tourist-friendly culture we have today.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 09:48 AM   #1122
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Old September 6th, 2007, 09:51 AM   #1123
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Not knowing a local language is not such a problem. In Europe, there are dozens of language within a 1000 mile radius. You can't expect a trucker or anyone to know 25 languages. But the international business language is English, whether you like it or not. I think it's important everyone knows English.
But Europe is totally different...

Here we're talking about speaking only 2 languages (which is easier) and not 25.

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Old September 6th, 2007, 09:57 AM   #1124
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You said it. 10 years ago there was not that tourist-friendly culture we have today.
Did you not read the link I posted?

Mexican law allows a person to be held in jail for 72 hours without a charge being filed. The Mexican judicial system does not presume the person accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty. Bail exists but is often granted to Mexican citizens only.

When a car accident takes place, the driver at fault must pay damages before being released from custody.

An accident in Mexico is a felony. It is essential to obtain auto insurance which is valid in Mexico before crossing the border in a vehicle. Many San Diego county agencies offer auto insurance to motorists who will be driving in Mexico. Check your domestic auto insurance broker for the extent and type of coverage that your current policy offers.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 10:08 AM   #1125
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In my state, there's a new law or disposition that says no tourist (domestic or international) will be sent to jail when involved in a transit acccident unless he or she is caught with high levels or alcohol.

Maybe that's not like it in Baja, but in Guerrero where Acapulco is located it does not work like that.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 10:13 AM   #1126
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Did you not read the link I posted?

Mexican law allows a person to be held in jail for 72 hours without a charge being filed. The Mexican judicial system does not presume the person accused of a crime is innocent until proven guilty. Bail exists but is often granted to Mexican citizens only.

When a car accident takes place, the driver at fault must pay damages before being released from custody.

An accident in Mexico is a felony. It is essential to obtain auto insurance which is valid in Mexico before crossing the border in a vehicle. Many San Diego county agencies offer auto insurance to motorists who will be driving in Mexico. Check your domestic auto insurance broker for the extent and type of coverage that your current policy offers.
In the US is the opposite, you are inocent until proven guilty..
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Old September 6th, 2007, 10:15 AM   #1127
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Not knowing a local language is not such a problem. In Europe, there are dozens of language within a 1000 mile radius. You can't expect a trucker or anyone to know 25 languages. But the international business language is English, whether you like it or not. I think it's important everyone knows English.
Again, that's Europe not North America, Spanish is easier than most languages..
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Old September 6th, 2007, 10:20 AM   #1129
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Earthquakes + poor maintainance = California
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Old September 6th, 2007, 02:20 PM   #1130
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In the US is the opposite, you are inocent until proven guilty..
Have Saddam built WMD's? I'd rephrase that sentence.
Its very sad that the "land of freedom" discriminates foreigners. In this case,mexican drivers and trucks.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 03:25 PM   #1131
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http://www.americanchronicle.com/art...rticleID=10326

WORST AUTOMOBILE DRIVERS

1) California
2) Illinois
3) New York
California has the worst drivers? I drove to LA for one week and I never seen even one accident even though they drive 70 - 80 mph. I don't even hear or see accidents if I watch traffic reports in TV or if I listen to the radio. In short, these people know how to drive and they know what fast driving is all about. Unlike here in DC Area such as Virginia, Maryland and West Virginia, people drive here slow and I don't get why we get too many accidents every morning and night like its always in the news.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 03:35 PM   #1132
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But the international business language is English, whether you like it or not. I think it's important everyone knows English.
And seriously, there's hardly an easier language than English. Not even Esperanto is that easy...
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Old September 6th, 2007, 03:35 PM   #1133
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LOL! California doesn't get that a lot of earthquakes. It's just a mentality developed by the Mass Hysteria. Japan, Mexico, Latin America countries and the Western part of South America has worser experience. California has good maintenance but they could not keep it due to high number of vehicles. It's considered to be one of the best highways in the world.

IMO, Pennsylvania has one of my worst moments.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 03:39 PM   #1134
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In my state, there's a new law or disposition that says no tourist (domestic or international) will be sent to jail when involved in a transit acccident unless he or she is caught with high levels or alcohol.
That's exactly the kind of change that needs to be made nationwide in Mexico before Americans will ever feel comfortable driving there. Mexican law and/or culture might view locking anyone involved in an accident in a jail cell for up to 72 hours while it's being investigated as a minor bureaucratic formality/annoyance, but any American subjected to that kind of treatment is going to be completely traumatized by the experience and feel like they were horribly punished in the worst possible way... especially if they themselves did nothing wrong and were innocent victims of somebody else's careless driving. Not to mention the fact that Americans get really freaked out by the whole concept of "guilty until proven innocent" to a degree that someone who grew up in a country where Napoleonic law is the norm can never really understand.
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Old September 6th, 2007, 10:50 PM   #1135
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I would not really blame the "guilty until proven innocent" system if people are thrown to jail for participating in traffic collisions. It is just the harshness of Mexican due process. For instance, in Russia they would never arrest anyone just for driving at 250 km/h while in some of the US states they would most likely do so. Has a judge established your guilt? No. So why arrest someone? Or in Germany - a very developed democratic country - you have to carry some cash in case if an officer requests on-spot fine, otherwise they impound your car. Again, they do it before you are proven guilty. The whole principle of "innocent until proven guilty" in America too is not as easy and clear as you might like to think.
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Old September 7th, 2007, 12:21 AM   #1136
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Another problem is cultural -- petty bribes are a fact of life in Mexico, but in America they're one of the ultimate taboos. As a result, Americans who find themselves in situations requiring the payment of bribes usually end up horribly offending, angering, or just plain putting the official in an awkward position (say, by making it obvious to the official that they think they're the most evil, corrupt spawn-of-satan thieves to have ever disgraced the planet by accepting the bribe, or even just awkwardly asking them point blank, "So, how much do I have to bribe you?" with the finesse & grace of a dozen nerds at the Playboy Mansion)

Case in point: according to a web site I found last night, apparently, if you're in an accident, get arrested, and are told you have to spend the night in jail, you can supposedly offer to pay the overtime salary of an (allegedly) off-duty police officer to guard you, and stay at your hotel instead (with the police officer guarding the door). If you pay the officer even more, he might even let you go out to dinner, shop, visit tourist attractions, or anything else as long as he can keep an eye on you (and you buy him dinner, pay for his admission, etc). The thing is, it's not an official policy, and the cash goes straight from the prisoner to the police officer's pocket. So it's technically a bribe, and if you don't know to politely ask about it as an option, the police won't come out and suggest it to you. For the record, the guy who wrote about this was Canadian & speculated that it probably wouldn't work for an American, because an American would piss off the entire police department long before that point by angrily insulting them and/or crying hysterically like a prisoner about to be executed at a Nazi death camp from the moment they were told to get in the police car.

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Old September 7th, 2007, 03:42 AM   #1137
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LOL! California doesn't get that a lot of earthquakes. It's just a mentality developed by the Mass Hysteria. Japan, Mexico, Latin America countries and the Western part of South America has worser experience. California has good maintenance but they could not keep it due to high number of vehicles. It's considered to be one of the best highways in the world.

IMO, Pennsylvania has one of my worst moments.
Beg to differ, California is #2 behind Alaska for earthquake frequency in the United States. Los Angeles had severe freeway damage in 1971, and again in 1994. Ditto for the Bay Area in 1989.

I believe that almost every state in the U.S. has BOTH good and bad freeways. It all depends on which ones have been upgraded the most recently. Some of the best freeways can be found in the Rocky Mountain West, with smaller populations, but less capacity.
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Old September 9th, 2007, 12:28 AM   #1138
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I think south florida/miami area has some of the best freeways in the country. Maybe because so many of them are new.

Baghdad has nice ******* freeways btw. PRoblem is the ****** people there like to blow their cars up so we have to limit capacity cuz of checkpoints. Although that has really slowed down.

Wish i could take my camera on patrols, but command dont wanna let me right now.
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