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Old February 28th, 2017, 12:19 AM   #12021
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The season finale by Freewayjim, I-15 from Primm, Nevada to Barstow, California.

Brace yourself for some terrible lane discipline But the scenery is great. Unusual to see that much traffic through such a long desolate stretch of desert landscape.

Behold Zzyzx Rd roughly halfway through, alphabetically the last road in the World. It sounds extraterrestrial.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 05:51 AM   #12022
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As someone who has studied this academically, I can say with confidence that there very much WAS a racial aspect in many cities.
But was it really a race-based issue or just a "let's build a road and the cheapest land corridor is through these neighborhoods" which happened to be mostly black?
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Old February 28th, 2017, 02:57 PM   #12023
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The latter. Land was designated as being "blighted" if there was an African-American living on the block. No matter what the actual condition of the land or property value was.
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Old February 28th, 2017, 10:14 PM   #12024
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As someone who has studied this academically, I can say with confidence that there very much WAS a racial aspect in many cities.
I too have studied this academically, and can tell you that the major driving forces were: Deindustrialization and suburbs. This concept of it was all about race is a ridiculous notion. Land became blighted due to people migrating out of the cities, and thus devaluing property, which either ended up becoming abandoned due to no demand for housing or was demolished entirely. Because factories were either outsourced across seas, or relocated to newer failities along the highways outside the cities and around suburbia, businesses and people left the cities. That's why nearly every American city, beside a few, experienced massive population decline. In the 70s alone New York lost 700,000 people. The main cause is deindustrialization. Supply and Demand. A large supply of houses, but a negative demand curve for residences. Before the freeways, American cities were largely populated by blue collar industrial workers. Once the industry left, so went the workers.

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Old March 1st, 2017, 02:51 AM   #12025
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I too have studied this academically, and can tell you that the major driving forces were: Deindustrialization and suburbs. This concept of it was all about race is a ridiculous notion. Land became blighted due to people migrating out of the cities, and thus devaluing property, which either ended up becoming abandoned due to no demand for housing or was demolished entirely. Because factories were either outsourced across seas, or relocated to newer failities along the highways outside the cities and around suburbia, businesses and people left the cities. That's why nearly every American city, beside a few, experienced massive population decline. In the 70s alone New York lost 700,000 people. The main cause is deindustrialization. Supply and Demand. A large supply of houses, but a negative demand curve for residences. Before the freeways, American cities were largely populated by blue collar industrial workers. Once the industry left, so went the workers.
He didn't say it was a "major force" or "it was all about race"...pay attention. It was a force though, glossing over it won't change that fact.

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As someone who has studied this academically, I can say with confidence that there very much WAS a racial aspect in many cities.
This. There was absolutely was a racial element in the construction of the Interstate System through cities. People get so triggered when race is mentioned, as if they're being attacked.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 04:16 AM   #12026
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This. There was absolutely was a racial element in the construction of the Interstate System through cities. People get so triggered when race is mentioned, as if they're being attacked.
How so? The Interstate System would have happened regardless and it still would have gone through cities. The main reason many highways ended up going through minority neighborhoods was the land having less value and the residents having less political power to fight the construction.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 04:50 AM   #12027
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Old March 1st, 2017, 06:32 AM   #12028
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How so? The Interstate System would have happened regardless and it still would have gone through cities. The main reason many highways ended up going through minority neighborhoods was the land having less value and the residents having less political power to fight the construction.
The land was devalued BECAUSE of their race, for one thing.

Pay attention to who was responsible. Senators like Strom Thurmond and various Dixiecrats wrote in discriminatory policies into virtually every possible act they could.
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The land was devalued BECAUSE of their race, for one thing.

Pay attention to who was responsible. Senators like Strom Thurmond and various Dixiecrats wrote in discriminatory policies into virtually every possible act they could.
Right but that had nothing to do with the Interstate system and more so society back in those days.
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There was absolutely was a racial element in the construction of the Interstate System through cities. People get so triggered when race is mentioned, as if they're being attacked.
Explain with academic sources exactly how there was a racial motive behind the construction of freeways in cities. Vox and Buzzfeed are not credible academic sources, btw.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 12:59 PM   #12031
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The land was devalued BECAUSE of their race, for one thing.

Pay attention to who was responsible. Senators like Strom Thurmond and various Dixiecrats wrote in discriminatory policies into virtually every possible act they could.
So it had nothing to do with the fact that people were moving out of the cities driving down demand, which thus devalued land value?
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Old March 1st, 2017, 01:20 PM   #12032
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The land was devalued BECAUSE of their race, for one thing.
How could poor African-Americans buy the land in the first place if it wasn't cheap? You've put the cart before the horse there.

There's a problem, that has actually grown since the 60s, that African-Americans and poor people living in cities are very much overlapping groups. 'White flight' wasn't due to race as much as money, but the poor people in cities were mostly non-white and the rich people mostly white.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 10:25 PM   #12033
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How could poor African-Americans buy the land in the first place if it wasn't cheap? You've put the cart before the horse there.

There's a problem, that has actually grown since the 60s, that African-Americans and poor people living in cities are very much overlapping groups. 'White flight' wasn't due to race as much as money, but the poor people in cities were mostly non-white and the rich people mostly white.
Enough, this is a topic about Highways, not Race
that happened decades ago, America is different now
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It happened decades ago, but the consequences are still felt today. Many interstates still divide communities of racial minorities in cities across the country, and there's not much that can be done to "heal" the division (park lids and highway removals can't reverse decades of decay). Neighborhoods near freeways are faced with air pollution (linked with dementia and respiratory diseases), concentrated poverty, and lower quality of life.

And even new freeways still chose the past of least resistance, aka the corridor with the poorest residents that can't attend hundreds of public hearings and force politicians to stall or block projects.

As for academic studies of the link between freeway planning and racism, here's a few scholarly works and books on the subject: Racial Bias and Interstate Highway Planning: A
Mixed Methods Approach
; The Folklore of the Freeway: Race and Revolt in the Modernist City; The Role of Highways in American Poverty; The Interstates and the Cities: Highways, Housing, and the Freeway Revolt.
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Enough, this is a topic about Highways, not Race
Yes, and if you read the post of mine you quoted, you'll see that that is my point!

It's 00Zy99 and Vox who are trying to make it about race to push an anti-highway agenda.
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Old March 1st, 2017, 11:45 PM   #12036
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In a nation where geographical locations down to several hundred meters (yards, whatevz :P ) and preferred modes of transport in the same urban area are correlated with race, highways and any other transportation talk will somehow become racial one time or another.
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Old March 2nd, 2017, 06:00 AM   #12037
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Enough, this is a topic about Highways, not Race
that happened decades ago, America is different now
Bark at the ones doing the race baiting.
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Old March 6th, 2017, 07:08 AM   #12038
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Old March 6th, 2017, 06:54 PM   #12039
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I-35 Troy, Texas

Two generations of freeway in Troy, Texas. It is part of a project to expand I-35 to six lanes. The bridge on the left will carry future southbound traffic. The current underpass will be filled in and a second viaduct will be constructed similar to the one on the left.

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