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Old October 28th, 2007, 10:32 PM   #1201
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Agreed.
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Old October 29th, 2007, 11:34 PM   #1202
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Atlanta, Georgia - 4.30 pm
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Columbus, Ohio - 4.30 pm
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Detroit, Michigan - 4.30 pm
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New York City, New York - 4.30 pm
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Miami, Florida - 4.30 pm
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Boston, Massachusetts - 4.30 pm
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Quite fair traffic, early rushhour. Only New York is quite busy already at 4.30 pm. Maybe American rushhour starts later as European rushhour. Dutch rushhour starts already around 3.30 pm, except for fridays, where there is no morning rushhour, but evening rushhour starts at 11.30 am.
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Old October 30th, 2007, 05:51 AM   #1203
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They're kidding, right? By 4:30 pm there's congestion all over the place in Atlanta.

A common commute for me (I'm in construction, so my commute changes quite randomly) is 285/400 to my home a bit south of the 316 route marker on the map, about 20 miles/30 km. Starting at 4 pm it'll probably take an hour.

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Old October 31st, 2007, 06:15 PM   #1204
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8 am Los Angeles time, 484 km of traffic jam.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 06:34 PM   #1205
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Afternoon rush hour starts around 3:30 in most cities. It even starts at 3:30 here in Wilmington, which is much smaller than places like Detroit or Atlanta. I think our perception of light traffic might be different than the European version.

Some places, rush hour starts sooner and end later. In Washington DC, rush hour starts around 4:30 AM and really doesn't end until about 7 PM. There is no morning rush hour or evening rush hour; they have combined to simply become a daytime rush hour. If you want to be picky, I would put morning rush hour from 4:30 to 11 AM, and afternoon rush hour from 1 to 7 PM. 11 to 1 (lunch time) can also be extremely congested; it's take me 3 hours to go from north of DC to south of DC via the Beltway during lunch time before.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 08:12 PM   #1206
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Rush hour starting at 4:30 am?!
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Old October 31st, 2007, 08:16 PM   #1207
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Rush hour starting at 4:30 am?!
Yes, they have a ton of traffic, they people who live there are lucky to have that Metro system. Many in Los Angeles are stuck with the traffic, and many of the lucky ones to live near Metro lines decide not to take them.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 08:22 PM   #1208
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Yeah, but I'm just astounished by the hour.

Are there really people who got up before 4:30AM?
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Old October 31st, 2007, 08:47 PM   #1209
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In Sacramento, the morning congestion usually began around 06:30 and lasted until 09:30. It's hard to believe that somewhere it starts as early as 04:30.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 09:23 PM   #1210
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4:30 is really early, however, in the Netherlands, first traffic jams start around 6 am.

It think Los Angeles and the Netherlands have a lot in common, when it comes to traffic, except the public transportation is in LA is extremely small. I read some bus lines are 2,5hrs long. Nobody does that ofcourse. There are 4 east-west freeways, but all four of them are jammed for a considerable length.

A better subway network could handle some of the cartraffic, and makes a better growth possible, because, in my opinion, urban sprawl around LA got a bit out of hand. Most of the housing goes on for miles and miles, passing by multiple cities, but you don't notice that, because it's all the same. Different what people think, LA is one of the densest populated cities in the USA. Most figures include the unpopulated Santa Monica, San Gabriel and Santa Susana mountain ranges.

There are only three freeways out of the suburban San Fernando Valley, if an accident happens on the 405 or 101, all routes will be gridlocked for most of the day.

People look at the map of LA, and see a lot of freeways, but you have to keep in mind that they serve a vast urban area with about 16 - 18 million inhabitants with about 1500 kilometers or 900 miles of freeway. That's not very much.
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Old October 31st, 2007, 11:05 PM   #1211
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It may be small, but it is growing and there is A LOT of activity right now.

Take a look at this thread.
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=411314

There will be no new freeways in Los Angeles. All the construction is for carpool lanes (and on the 5 to match what Orange County did).
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 05:39 AM   #1212
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Atlanta-The Downtown Connector Experience

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Old November 2nd, 2007, 07:38 AM   #1213
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Wow, this is the most extensive use of cat's eyes I've ever seen, amazing!
The other videos from the same guy are also very cool.
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 10:03 AM   #1214
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Looks like driving on an Auckland motorway on the wrong side of the road!

There are some really nutty drivers in that video. Random non-signalled lane changes seems to be in the high percentile. Of course, under-taking (or overtaking on the right hand side) is allowed in America (as it is here) but it still makes me as a European cringe when I see someone do it!
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 12:27 PM   #1215
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It looks quite chaotic traffic. All this left-right lane changing makes this more similar to some Asian freeway (at least my experience in Bangkok was similar)
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 01:35 PM   #1216
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Well, the video is in fast motion, it's not that chaotic, but it's quite common on very busy large motorways, especially when people always try to exit and enter the motorway. Another thing is that I noticed many highways in the US have entrances/exits on the left side and on the right side, which contributes to the overall confusion. In Toronto I haven't seen too much of this phenomenon, except when one highway splits into two (in which case one of the parts may merge onto another highway from the left).
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 03:12 PM   #1217
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Well, the video is in fast motion, it's not that chaotic, but it's quite common on very busy large motorways, especially when people always try to exit and enter the motorway. Another thing is that I noticed many highways in the US have entrances/exits on the left side and on the right side, which contributes to the overall confusion. In Toronto I haven't seen too much of this phenomenon, except when one highway splits into two (in which case one of the parts may merge onto another highway from the left).
From what I remember from Atlanta, there are a lot of left hand exits and entrances near downtown because of the HOV lane that adorns the inner parts of the carriageways. Many of the left hand exits and entrances are for the HOV lane only
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 03:39 PM   #1219
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The traffic is quite alright. It's no different from Dutch traffic on 2x5 lane motorways (we have only one ), except for the right-hand overtaking, which is not allowed here.

What music is there in the video? Sounds a lot like Joe Satriani.
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Old November 2nd, 2007, 04:00 PM   #1220
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^ It is, if you read the comments. As for overtaking on the right: I get it that the traffic in the US is so dense that it's easier just to overtake on the lane that's empty.
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