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Old January 22nd, 2008, 09:00 PM   #1601
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But New York is signed there in Delaware? Via the NJ Turnpike? Not via Wilmington and Philadelphia is suppose...
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 12:55 AM   #1602
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Nice pictures. I'm not sure if it's just me but the NJ turnpike drive is extremely booooring. I love trees but they hide everything else and the exits are like 20 miles apart. Instead of feeling like you're in New Jersey it feels like you're in another dimension until it spits you out into the Newark area. To this day I have no idea what New Jersey looks like because I've only been on the turnpike. Any other highway seems to give you an idea of what lies beyond the shoulder.

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Old January 23rd, 2008, 01:04 AM   #1603
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oh yes, the NJ is really boring, I thought before we went there that I could get some views to Philadelphia, but unfornutely not but: that turnpike would fit well in Germany, for fast travelling
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 01:54 AM   #1604
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I'm not sure if it's just me but the NJ turnpike drive is extremely booooring. I love trees but they hide everything else and the exits are like 20 miles apart.
Patrick's right, the NJ TPK is all about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible. It is straight as an arrow and doesn't mess about with dozens of exits on minor roads and streets.
FM, if you're in the area again, you might consider taking 295...it parallels the pike in south Jersey and offers more to see.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...5909&z=11&om=0
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 01:57 AM   #1605
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The NJ turnpike is only boring in South Jersey. That I could understand.

But, being a fan of industrial landscapes and urbanity...it's a "fun" drive seeing the oil refineries, large interchanges, rail lines, Newark Airport, and being able see the Manhattan skyline on one of the bridges in North Jersey. Plus, the enormity is something too!
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 05:14 PM   #1606
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Patrick's right, the NJ TPK is all about getting from point A to point B as fast as possible. It is straight as an arrow and doesn't mess about with dozens of exits on minor roads and streets.
FM, if you're in the area again, you might consider taking 295...it parallels the pike in south Jersey and offers more to see.

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=3...5909&z=11&om=0

I'll try that next time. It looks like coming from the south I'd take 295 to 195, then 95 right?

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The NJ turnpike is only boring in South Jersey. That I could understand.

But, being a fan of industrial landscapes and urbanity...it's a "fun" drive seeing the oil refineries, large interchanges, rail lines, Newark Airport, and being able see the Manhattan skyline on one of the bridges in North Jersey. Plus, the enormity is something too!

I love industrial landscapes as well. I've always been fascinated with stuff like that.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 05:39 PM   #1607
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I'll try that next time. It looks like coming from the south I'd take 295 to 195, then 95 right?
Yeah, that's right...It won't be as fast- but it won't be slow either...there's actually a couple of places where drivers on the pike and 295 can see each other- they're really close.
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Old January 23rd, 2008, 07:02 PM   #1608
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Nice pictures. I'm not sure if it's just me but the NJ turnpike drive is extremely booooring. I love trees but they hide everything else and the exits are like 20 miles apart. Instead of feeling like you're in New Jersey it feels like you're in another dimension until it spits you out into the Newark area. To this day I have no idea what New Jersey looks like because I've only been on the turnpike. Any other highway seems to give you an idea of what lies beyond the shoulder.

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To me, it seemed like all of NJ's highways are like that. I-80 is cool when you get toward the Delaware Water Gap, since it gets very hilly and mountainous near the border. However, the Parkway through central and South Jersey is completely tree-lined, as is I-287 and I-78 going away from NYC. Oh, and way too many state troopers up there, btw.

Taking the train up there is much more interesting, IMO
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Old January 25th, 2008, 11:24 AM   #1609
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Funny, in South Dakota, the gridpattern is very much alive in rural area's, all local rural roads are exactly one mile apart, and the road names increase to the east, so there is a 487th Avenue east of Sioux Falls.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 01:16 PM   #1610
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There is even a 900th Avenue in Minnesota

But they add 10 each mile, in contrast to 1 to one mile in South Dakota.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 02:14 PM   #1611
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I just checked the I-90 in Chicago, and the number of exits just east of downtown is really crazy, they are only 80 - 100 meters apart

This might be the highest exit density in the world. Maybe they have numbered them like Exit 88A, B, C, D, E, F, G, H, I etc.
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Old January 25th, 2008, 03:32 PM   #1612
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That stretch in Chicago is pretty crazy, but about half the ramps have been closed. So only an exit every 300m!

They are numbered with letters as you suggest. I think it goes up to J?
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Old January 25th, 2008, 03:41 PM   #1613
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300m is still crazy, it means you'll pass by an exit every few seconds or so. It gives a lot of turbulency at the highway, which is not good for the traffic flow, it easy gets interrupted. Changing these exits is hard, since the I-90 is below street level here with a continuous line of overpasses.
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Old January 26th, 2008, 02:15 PM   #1614
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There are 8 exits in 1100 meters or a 7th of a mile or 1200 yards.

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Old January 26th, 2008, 02:40 PM   #1615
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Interesting, but that's not such a problem; on-ramps are problematic.
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Old January 26th, 2008, 02:48 PM   #1616
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Depends on rushhour direction

With so many exits, waiting lines at local streets easily jams the Interstate in the morning.

I am not against a good distribution of traffic, in fact i think the grid street pattern is better than the European style of streets patterns, but this are too many exits. In the Netherlands 2 exits would be a lot on this section, and we are talking about 4 times that number of exits.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 07:39 AM   #1617
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^ almost all, if not all, of those exits on I-90 also have on=ramps, and our five lane highway running along the Westside highway is terribly slow most of the time. But that's nothing. We still have I-55 which goes all the way to new orleans, I-80 and I-90 that go from coast to coast, I-94 which goes from detroit to the west coast, plus 4 other tollways/ highways that stem from the city outwards to various points. Chicago is the transit hub of america including trucking, all other interstate transit, railroads, and connection points in our national transit system. It'd be nice if DC paid more respect to chicago and helped us out with our transit crisis. No other city has a national transit burden that we have, and with our extreme changes in weather year-round we're having a hell of a time keeping up.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 05:08 PM   #1618
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It's an old expressway that was built before civil engineers had 50+ years of data on modern traffic flows.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 08:12 PM   #1619
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It's an old expressway that was built before civil engineers had 50+ years of data on modern traffic flows.
But, still, it would've been better to put the exits on the left and the entrances on the right. Left-hand entrances suck, and that was known fifty years ago.
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Old January 27th, 2008, 11:15 PM   #1620
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If I were a city planner, I would demolish most of those and make entrance lanes from the left corresponding to those exits remaining.
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