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Old March 8th, 2008, 05:31 PM   #1821
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2. New Jersey is the turnpike, it is the state you drive through to get to Philadelphia, they have nothing. So what do they do? They build the most boring and tedious mega road in the world; a straight line, lined with nothing but trees. And with exits every 20 miles they toll you to hell..

This rant is such crap, I wouldn't even know where to begin.
The NJ Turnpike was built to get out-of-staters through NJ as quickly as possible. The Garden State is actually quite lovely- but if you never bothered to exit the pike then you'd never know about that- and that's your own fault.
And as far as the quality of drivers?
Seriously- drive around Staten Island for a few hours. NYC roads are actually very poor when compared with those in New Jersey.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 05:36 PM   #1822
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All i heard New York's expressways are narrow, in quite disrepair and outdated.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 05:41 PM   #1823
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This rant is such crap, I wouldn't even know where to begin.
The NJ Turnpike was built to get out-of-staters through NJ as quickly as possible. The Garden State is actually quite lovely- but if you never bothered to exit the pike then you'd never know about that- and that's your own fault.
And as far as the quality of drivers?
Seriously- drive around Staten Island for a few hours. NYC roads are actually very poor when compared with those in New Jersey.
Ah yes, I forgot, the Jersey North Shore!

6. Remember those montages you see of giant industrial areas spewing poison and death into the atmosphere, this is, of course, New Jersey.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 05:43 PM   #1824
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All i heard New York's expressways are narrow, in quite disrepair and outdated.
Well if you are talking about NYC, we realized how useless they are past a certain population density.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 05:46 PM   #1825
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Millions of people daily commute by car into Manhattan, i would'nt call that useless
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Old March 8th, 2008, 06:01 PM   #1826
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Millions of people daily commute by car into Manhattan, i would'nt call that useless
Millions is a little bit of a decimal point error.

To be frank Manhattan would be better if they bulldozed both "highways", and outright banned passenger cars south of 60th with exceptions.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 06:12 PM   #1827
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Millions is a little bit of a decimal point error.
Not really. You can easily count all bridges and their AADT, and voila, you'll have the commuting into Manhattan by car.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 06:17 PM   #1828
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I believe that this would run from the '133' marker to just northwest of the I-15 sign in that image.

Now, if we could just get CA 241 (southeast) to circle back to I-5....



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Old March 8th, 2008, 06:27 PM   #1829
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Well, you could always use US 1 and I-95 (Scudders Falls bridge) to transit New Jersey to avoid that toll.





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Old March 8th, 2008, 06:48 PM   #1830
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Not really. You can easily count all bridges and their AADT, and voila, you'll have the commuting into Manhattan by car.
I would rather go with census statistics.

267,186

http://www.pfnyc.org/pressReleases/2..._reaction.html

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Well, you could always use US 1 and I-95 (Scudders Falls bridge) to transit New Jersey to avoid that toll.





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Old March 8th, 2008, 06:58 PM   #1831
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The NJ turnpike is horrendous, especially the southern part : it's only two lanes each way, quite a narrow roadway, and quite some traffic... Did they start widening south of New Brunswick, where the local lanes merge with the express ones ?
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Yeah, but that's only southern Manhattan. The actual figures of traffic volumes entering Manhattan via the bridges or tunnels is actually (much) higher. I have posted those figures earlier this thread.
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Old March 8th, 2008, 07:17 PM   #1833
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Hey, where's the pictures of the "We Bare All" billboards along I-75?
Oh, man, I forgot. I may go back down there this week-- I'll make a special effort to get photos.

I don't think there are as many of them as there used to be. I could be wrong, though-- Georgia has so many billboards that we natives eventually learn to tune them out.
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Yeah, but that's only southern Manhattan. The actual figures of traffic volumes entering Manhattan via the bridges or tunnels is actually (much) higher. I have posted those figures earlier this thread.
What matters is midtown and downtown aka, south of 60th street. North of 96th street is where your argument really doesn't matter. So let me say once again, highways are useless once you reach a certain population density, passenger cars with exception should be banned below 60th street or at least economically discouraged and the parking lot that is the FDR parkway should be bulldozed.

I see that you do not live here, but the marginal benefits of roads in this city have been for a long time detrimental.
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But what about the residents south of 60th street?
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Old March 8th, 2008, 09:30 PM   #1836
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Ah yes, I forgot, the Jersey North Shore!

6. Remember those montages you see of giant industrial areas spewing poison and death into the atmosphere, this is, of course, New Jersey.

You're not making sense. Remember WHAT montages?
And what are you talking about when you say the Jersey North Shore?

I've no idea what your point is with all this- but you'll just be another in a long line of New Yorkers who look down their nose at Jersey but who don't know what they hell they're talking about.
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But what about the residents south of 60th street?
You find me someone who lives south of 96th and drives for their daily commute, I will show you a paranoid lunatic who is on the fringes of societal norms or some rich-son-of-a-bitch.
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You think people only use their car for commuting?
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I do not disagree with you, by the way, i think it's nonsense to use your car for commuting within New York City (except Staten Island). Mass transit is fairly good. But it's the people from the suburbs, for who mass transit is less of an option. It is always difficult to build the necessary evil of expressways in the central city, while it's used by the suburban population around it.

Though, even with the huge mass transit they have in New York, the commuting time is the highest among any large metropolitan area in the United States.
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From the US Census Bureau:

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New York City residents spend an average of about one full week a year getting to work — the longest commute time in the nation among large cities, according to a new ranking of American Community Survey data released today by the U.S. Census Bureau.

New York City residents take an average of 38.4 minutes to get to work each day — more than five minutes longer than Chicagoans, who face a commute of 32.7 minutes.

Other large cities with populations of 250,000 or more with long commutes include Philadelphia (30.3 minutes), Riverside, Calif. (29.8), Baltimore (29.7), Washington, D.C. (29.4), San Francisco (29.2), Oakland, Calif. (29.1), Los Angeles (28.5) and Boston (28.2).
I myself commute about 25 minutes one way. But that's just in a 116.000 pop. city.
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