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Old July 29th, 2006, 09:52 AM   #61
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Last time I was in Las Vegas I saw no need to use the monorail. Why not put a light rail system right along the strip and dismantle this thing?
Because no one could take the heat. The last time I was there it was 105 degrees at midnight. During the day, the sun beating down when you were outside was just unbearable. I haven't been on the new monorail but I guess it travels at or through the hotels like before.
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Old July 30th, 2006, 05:59 AM   #62
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But why monorail?

Monorails have higher operating costs because of "rail" maintainence and track switching.

Why couldn't they have built steel wheel and steel rail, elevated AGT or something instead? I don't think there is anything monorail can do that traditional rail can't other than less noise.

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Old July 31st, 2006, 12:33 AM   #63
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Monorail "tracks" have much, much less maintenance than a steel tracks. There's not a whole lot to them, they are essentially concrete, and rubber tires give them a slight edge in tolerances.

AGT is a broad category, but if you are talking rubber tired people movers like airports have, well, that is pretty much what a monorail is. It just happens to have one central tire (or tires) and one beam instead of two. Of course there is a matter of capacity. People forget that most monorails are higher capacity than most light rails.

The biggest problem with the Las Vegas monorail is in design - the stations are not properly located (not that they had the cooperation from all the casinos) and it never connected the airport or downtown, so it ultimately isn't very useful over other options. I still say that if they connected with the airport their ridership would jump tremendously.
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Old July 31st, 2006, 09:03 AM   #64
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The biggest problem with the Las Vegas monorail is in design - the stations are not properly located (not that they had the cooperation from all the casinos) and it never connected the airport or downtown, so it ultimately isn't very useful over other options. I still say that if they connected with the airport their ridership would jump tremendously.
I agree with the location of the stations. They are usually at the back of the hotel. If the monorail ran through The Strip, then it would have attracted more ridership. Also, the ticket is expensive as well!
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Old December 4th, 2006, 02:36 AM   #65
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LAS VEGAS: Monorails & Trams

LAS VEGAS: Monorails & Trams



A thread for posting information, pictures and videos of the following transportation systems in Las Vegas, Nevada:



Las Vegas Monorail
Mandalay Bay – Luxor – Excalibur Tram
The Mirage to Treasure Island Tram
Bellagio to Montecarlo Tram


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Old December 4th, 2006, 02:37 AM   #66
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Las Vegas Monorail











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MGM Grand Station Video
A monorail train departing the MGM Grand station

Las Vegas Monorail - MGM Grand Station


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Las Vegas Convention Center Station Video
A monorail train arriving to the Las Vegas Convention Center Station

Las Vegas Monorail - LV Convention Center Station


Las Vegas Hilton Station






Las Vegas Hilton Station Video
A monorail train departing the Las Vegas Hilton Station

Las Vegas Monorail - Las Vegas Hilton Station


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Old December 4th, 2006, 11:36 AM   #67
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Why do you call it tram? It is just another monorail, as for me...
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Old December 4th, 2006, 02:24 PM   #68
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Why do you call it tram? It is just another monorail, as for me...
I agree. Probably a monorail for just two or three stations it's called a tram

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Old December 5th, 2006, 02:16 AM   #69
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the monorail in vegas is such a ripoff five dollars to ride 1/4 miles and walk another three miles to and from a station.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 02:32 AM   #70
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the monorail in vegas is such a ripoff five dollars to ride 1/4 miles and walk another three miles to and from a station.
I bought the 24-hr ticket for $15 and I used it a lot during two days. I agree, it's expensive.
The deuce is probably the best deal.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 02:36 AM   #71
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Great shots Don

I remember the original monorail that ran just between MGM and Bally's, it was FREE to ride that one.

Plans for a privately funded monorail to run from the MGM to McCarran Airport

MGM must be getting fed up with the mismanagement of the current system and have no confidence that they'll ever be able to expand, so they have decided to build it themselves.

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Why do you call it tram? It is just another monorail, as for me...
The separate systems on the west side of the strip, Mandalay Bay to Luxor to Excalibur, Mirage to Treasure Island, and Bellagio to Monte Carlo systems are actual trams, not monorails. The Bellagio to Monte Carlo system is torn down right now for CityCenter construction.

MGM will probably end up building their own monorail on the west side of the strip too, linking their resorts over there and replacing the three separate tram systems with one monorail.

Since MGM doesn't own anything downtown, it's looking unlikely that the system will ever be extended down there.

Edit: Just figured out that it's not MGM behind this. Sorry about the confusion.

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Old December 5th, 2006, 03:55 AM   #72
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neat - is it more of a tourist novelty thing than an actual transportation system?
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Old December 5th, 2006, 04:20 AM   #73
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how many kms. the monorail covers?
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Old December 5th, 2006, 04:40 AM   #74
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neat - is it more of a tourist novelty thing than an actual transportation system?
Yes, it's a system mainly for the tourists. A long weekend could bring 250,000 people to the city and at least 10% could use the system.
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Old December 5th, 2006, 04:42 AM   #75
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how many kms. the monorail covers?

This is the first phase and it covers about 8 kms. 7 stations
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Old December 5th, 2006, 04:47 AM   #76
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This is the first phase and it covers about 8 kms. 7 stations
in fact, a tourist attraction for the moment.

i just checked the history on the sydney monorail, and it seems it was complete disaster and waste of money, thatīs why they didnt want to build any longer tram for it. nowadays, it seems the sydney monorail is too expensive to ride and cover something like 3kms.

letīs see what happens with mighty vegas
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Old December 5th, 2006, 05:08 AM   #77
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It just isn't functional. They really needed to connect to the airport for one, and then they needed to have it stop in actually useful locations with a useful route. IT just doesn't meet the transit needs.

Um, isn't that project the extension of the current monorail to the airport?

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It just isn't functional. They really needed to connect to the airport for one, and then they needed to have it stop in actually useful locations with a useful route. IT just doesn't meet the transit needs.

Um, isn't that project the extension of the current monorail to the airport?
That is typical at the beginning with every system. Let's see how it develops

This map shows the entire network once completed:


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Old December 6th, 2006, 01:44 PM   #79
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http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/st...566627088.html

December 04, 2006

Monorail needs line to remain on track

Connection to airport key to future of project
By Richard N. Velotta
Las Vegas Sun

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See map of the proposed expansion at the following link:
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MONORAIL EXPANSION

Curtis Myles has been a little on edge lately, and it has nothing to do with the Las Vegas Monorail Co.'s low passenger counts, subpar credit rating or the blistering he routinely takes from critics in the press.

Myles, president and chief executive of the monorail company, knows that his presentation before the Clark County Commission on Wednesday is crucial to the future of the monorail.

He needs commissioners to approve its extension to McCarran International Airport, which will go far in turning around the fortunes of the beleaguered monorail.

With the monorail struggling since it began operations in 2004, even critics say the high-tech train's success could hinge on developing a $500 million link between the airport and the resort corridor. Myles is bound to hear from critics when the proposal is brought to a public hearing, scheduled for the afternoon session of a commission meeting dedicated to zoning matters.

About 20,000 passengers ride the monorail daily, despite initial forecasts that the system would carry 53,000 passengers daily. Earlier this year, credit analyzers Fitch Ratings reduced the company's rating to "junk bond" status.

The monorail company has adjusted its pricing structure to maximize revenue from the people who ride it the most - tourists. That has resulted in a backlash from visitors, further reducing ridership.

But Myles continues to look at the big picture - and is haunted by the images of Strip gridlock if he fails.

"We're building 40,000 hotel rooms over the next few years," Myles said. "The streets around the resort corridor are already congested. How are the people going to get around when those new rooms come online?"

Myles noted that there are no plans by any government entity to add any lanes to streets between McCarran and the Las Vegas Strip.

"There's nothing on the (Interstate) 215, nothing on Paradise, nothing on Tropicana," he said. "The monorail has to be part of the solution."

Myles said that while most people point to a monorail extension to the airport as part of the solution, and he believes county commissioners agree, he's not taking anything for granted.

That's why monorail officials have been meeting business leaders along the proposed route corridor, which extends from the existing terminus at the MGM Grand to Koval Lane, Harmon Avenue, Swenson Street and Russell Road to the proposed Terminal 3 at McCarran.

Myles is armed with a satchel full of supportive letters from MGM Mirage, the Hard Rock Hotel, the Morgans Hotel Group, Eagle Vegas LLC, the Edge Group and the Hofbrauhaus Las Vegas as well as UNLV.

"The future of Las Vegas is contingent upon the positive experiences of our visitors, and mobility is one of the key issues to maintain and improve these experiences," MGM Mirage Chief Executive Terry Lanni wrote the County Commission.

The airport extension would be 4.2 miles long - slightly longer than the existing stretch between the MGM Grand and the Sahara. The company wants up to six stations along the route, which would run on concrete guideways up to 100 feet above street level.

Stations are proposed at the site of the future W Resort Hotel on Harmon Avenue, the Hard Rock Hotel and somewhere along Swenson Street near the Thomas & Mack Center. Two stations are planned at McCarran, one at Terminal 1 at the north side of the parking garage and at the future Terminal 3, between the planned terminal building and a parking garage. A maintenance building also is planned at the McCarran end of the line.

Probably the biggest question from the public is whether taxpayers could be left holding the bag if the monorail extension is a failure.

Myles says no.

The company plans to sell outside investors on the monorail plan. The initial $650 million system was built with bonds, and the bond holders - not the taxpayers - would take the hit if the system is a flop.

The monorail company plans to approach prospective investors after it has a comprehensive ridership study that is expected to be completed within a few weeks; a financial report that will explain how fare box and advertising revenue would repay the bonds; and the Clark County approvals the company is seeking Wednesday.

"I'm not going to give specifics until the (ridership) model is completed, but I can say that the numbers with the airport extension are robust," Myles said.

When those reports are shown to potential investors, Myles is hopeful that there would be enough interest in financing not only the link between the MGM Grand and the airport, but also a track on the west side of the Strip, the next component of the monorail plan.

But none of that can happen until the county gives its approval.

"What we do this week is a critical, critical step," he said.

Richard N. Velotta can be reached at 259-4061 or at [email protected].
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Old December 6th, 2006, 07:27 PM   #80
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At the cost of the current proposed expansion they could have had an elevated light rail line that could run at-grade where appropriate to save cost.

I really don't see how people continue to be duped by this monorail thing. How many times does something have to prove its a failure before people stop listening to those pushing it?

EDIT: And let me add, provided greater flexibility to extend the system out into the residential areas of Las Vegas.

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