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Old January 30th, 2006, 02:42 PM   #21
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Then let's talk skyscrapers!

All right then.
Let's talk skyscrapers.
I well known that skyscrapers are very uneconomically. It much cheaper to build low-rise, and you get much more space out of it. A great part of the space in skyscrapers are offen used for lift shafts and staircases. Then why are skyscrapers build? Think of The Chrysler building and The Empire State building. The reason they are so tall is because the they compete of wich one would be the tallest!
Look at Taipai 101. Is it build because of lack of areal? No
And what about Burj Dubai? Have the run out of construction sites? No
They just wanna be the tallest!
And that fine with me. As long as it isn't the taxpayers money that is used for the purpose.
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only some projects are so ^
But moscow need office area
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Old January 30th, 2006, 02:57 PM   #23
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how about other thousands of skyscrapers around the world. they don't claim to be tallest. those just skyscrapers.

As for City Hall and City Duma. I repeat once again for you. It is much more better for organisation 4 skyscrapers than hundreds of lowrise buildings spreaded around big city.
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Old January 30th, 2006, 03:38 PM   #24
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All right then.
Let's talk skyscrapers.
I well known that skyscrapers are very uneconomically. It much cheaper to build low-rise, and you get much more space out of it. A great part of the space in skyscrapers are offen used for lift shafts and staircases. Then why are skyscrapers build? Think of The Chrysler building and The Empire State building. The reason they are so tall is because the they compete of wich one would be the tallest!
Look at Taipai 101. Is it build because of lack of areal? No
And what about Burj Dubai? Have the run out of construction sites? No
They just wanna be the tallest!
And that fine with me. As long as it isn't the taxpayers money that is used for the purpose.
Arn't skyscrapers usually commericial projects anyway?
And even if a government pays for them it would be for the economic benefits that they will bring which will (if managed correctly) help everyone in the country alot more in the long term. It is incredibly short sighted to only think about spending money where it is most needed at that present time. A reactionary economy will not work. It is better to plan long term projects that will help the growth and stability of a country. This should result in a higher standard of life for everyone.
The problem with capitlism is that that so often isn't done. Those who can take the economic benefits for themselves and leave everyone else how they are. But the solution to that is to allow the economic benefits of major developments to be spread out. Not to stop all economic developments so you can give the money to the poorest. That will simply not work.

And also skyscrapers have huge commerical value, the tallest might be built for the title, just as the most extravagent looking are designed to get attention aswell. But there is nothing wrong with that. A worlds tallest building will bring in tourists who will spend money in the local economy, no building is built just for the sheer fun of it, that is not how the world works.

Also bare in mind that highrise developments are far more friendly to the enviroment. They help reduce urban sprawl which is tremedously damaging to animals habitats. They reduce the amount of transport people need as they live in a more tight area, meaning less commuting - and hence less pollution. The buildings themselves are also more enviromentally friendly. With recent technologies designed to minimise heat loss and heat gain(depending on climate) using rain water, generating their own power, Using excess heat from one area of a building to heat others is also comeing into reality now.

I'm not a big fan of the way the capitalist model is implemented. But economic growth is important for everyone, and done managed correctly can bring enourmous benefits to everyone in a society.

Besides why did you join a Skyscraper forum when you hate skyscrapers
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Old January 30th, 2006, 08:30 PM   #25
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Everything crazyevildude said above is true. Sprawl is a bad option. And many cities build large buildings to consolidate all of their departments into one building. It ends up being cheaper in the end usually for the city. So this is probably cheaper to build one building and sell off all the others than to maintain what is existing.

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Old January 30th, 2006, 11:49 PM   #26
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Will be one of the most exiting clusters in Europe!
So true!! It will join London's Canary Wharf, Paris' La Defence area, and Warsaw's new booming central business district as an exciting scraper cluster in Europe. Constructing a cluster of talls in a specific area of older cities saves a lot of the beautiful older structures because if the scrapers were dispersed throughout the city, a lot of nicer historic buildings may disappear.

City Hall & City Duma will join the other high-tech buildings in the area, some already under construction such as The Complex Federation Tower, Plot 12 - International Business Centre, the very funky City of Capitals; Moscow & St Petersburg Towers and Naberezhnaya Tower C & the already built Naberezhnaya Towers A & B.

The proposed 648m/2,126ft Russia Tower Pt 1__&__Russia Tower Pt 2 if/when built in the same area will be the crowning glory.

Loving the design of City Hall & City Duma and the huge atrium-esque wintergarden floors that join the 4 towers together as skybridges; it will be just amazing - truly a beautiful, sensible and logical design.

These towers will be a real showcase and it's best if a city has it offices of the contolling government centralised in a new high-tech building; it makes pure sense economically as it saves money for the city in the longer-term as the city government would currently have its offices spread out in different locations.

***BTW Who is the architect of City Hall & City Duma? Anyone know? coth?
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Old January 31st, 2006, 01:21 AM   #27
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The original design has been made by Mikhail Kazakov, Anton Nagavitsin and Nodar Kancheli.
It won 1th place in contest out of 142 in 2002. Orginally planned 200 meters tall on plots 2-3.
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Old January 31st, 2006, 05:09 AM   #28
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Thanks coth
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Old February 28th, 2006, 10:16 PM   #29
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Video.

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http://dva3.ru/pictures/vis/ani/mmdc/mmdc_divx600.avi

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most of work going to left of this picture. they digging pit.

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Old February 28th, 2006, 10:46 PM   #30
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Is it going to be red?
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Old February 28th, 2006, 10:53 PM   #31
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of course. that's all charm there is in red. it's simply beautiful.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 11:01 PM   #32
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Amazing project this is going to look great when they complete it.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 11:59 PM   #33
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Amazing! not expecting Moscow is so beautiful. Will definitely like to visit Moscow some time!
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Old March 1st, 2006, 01:35 AM   #34
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Roof top, overview, looks like a flower . It's very original the red color.

@coth: This is just one tower. Towers are totally linked at the top!! And at the bottom, they have lots of brigdes. Definitely, one.
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Old March 1st, 2006, 01:55 AM   #35
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at top there is 8 story huge skybridge that covers all space space between towers.
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Old March 1st, 2006, 01:58 AM   #36
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I'm really wondering what it's gonna turn out like. Whats that red? glass?
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Old March 1st, 2006, 04:38 AM   #37
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like it!!
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Old March 1st, 2006, 05:34 AM   #38
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I really like it, the red of course puts it over the top. A fitting color for the captiol of Russia!

btw...the building reminds me of Milwaukees tallest skyscraper in a way...well not the color..

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Old March 1st, 2006, 06:10 AM   #39
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OMG! - it wont actually be THAT red will it? That said I hope it is cause it's just so insane - I mean a bright red skyscraper, who does that? As long as it doesn't end up looking tacky, I think it'll be quite an icon for Moscow.

The last construction update - I take it that's Federation Tower in the background? Can't wait for it this thing to rise, or even more so for the first glass to go up.
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Old March 1st, 2006, 01:54 PM   #40
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^ Isn't there a bright red skyscraper in Chicago? I seem to remember it looks alright.
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