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Old February 19th, 2008, 02:05 PM   #2381
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They haven't stopped at QP for ages actually. The stairs were rebuilt and monitors put in, but seemingly for nothing! And they even have those weird 5am Wembley Central trains still, I believe.

It used to get 2tph, a slow MK and a slow Watford, before the days of the Southern trains which do the same (but no Bushey, I think?).
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Old February 19th, 2008, 09:14 PM   #2382
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I've just started commuting from Harringay to Wandsworth Town, so train to Finsbury Park/H&I, then Victoria line to Vauxhall and SWT to Wandsworth from there. It's not too bad, but if anyone can give me any tips on getting a seat on the Victoria at about 8.10 that'd be helpful.
I usually manage to cram on at Finsbury Park, where it is a bit of a walk to change between the national rail lines and the tube, but you've got a better chance of getting a seat there than at H&I. You usually manage to get a seat at Oxford Circus, where a lot of people get off.
On the way back the Viccy isn't that busy at all at Vauxhall, luckily, so I get a seat on the way back before everyone else crams on.

But is the front or back more busy at certain times, or anything like that?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 01:17 PM   #2383
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On the Victoria line, I'd stand down the aisle as each station in the central section is important enough that someone will always get off (like getting on at Victoria, you'll almost always get a seat at Green Park).
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Old February 20th, 2008, 07:47 PM   #2384
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Stand by the exit off the platform, as these are the doors where people are most likely to be alighting the train. Got me a seat every time at Holborn Picc WB.

That being said I guess not many people get off at Finsbury Park SB Vic in the morning peak?
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Old February 20th, 2008, 08:20 PM   #2385
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Do you think many lines don't actually need extra capacity, they just need passengers to move further down the platform?
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Old February 21st, 2008, 12:46 AM   #2386
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Do you think many lines don't actually need extra capacity, they just need passengers to move further down the platform?
It would certainly help... many commuters are adamant that they want to get on where they need to get off, which means that depending on where the exits from platforms are some cars can be under-capacity in the peaks. I reckon you could squeeze at least another 10% out of each peak train if loadings were evenly distributed, plus dwell times would be shorter.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 03:30 AM   #2387
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Do you think gaps will be more of a problem when the S Stock comes along as there are three sets of doors meaning the centre set will be in the middle meaning an even larger gap than we already have now?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:09 AM   #2388
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hello tubeman and i am sorry i haven't been on this thread for sometime and well wanted to discuss you about something.

whatever happened to the North Pole Depot? whats going to happen to it since Eurostar is gone?

and have you checked out Temple Mills Depot where the eurostar is located at now? have you taken pictures or videos of it?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:12 AM   #2389
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Do you think gaps will be more of a problem when the S Stock comes along as there are three sets of doors meaning the centre set will be in the middle meaning an even larger gap than we already have now?
Yes that's a fair point... the gap will be marginally bigger from the middle sets of doors at curved platforms (e.g. Westminster, Bow Road etc). Once the S Stock comes in universally, I'd like to see platform heights adjusted across the SSR stations to reduce the step up, hopefully this would compensate.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:17 AM   #2390
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hello tubeman and i am sorry i haven't been on this thread for sometime and well wanted to discuss you about something.

whatever happened to the North Pole Depot? whats going to happen to it since Eurostar is gone?

and have you checked out Temple Mills Depot where the eurostar is located at now? have you taken pictures or videos of it?
North Pole has been mothballed for future use (possibly for Crossrail trains)... It's not being demolished and the track is being left intact.

There's not an awful lot in the way of images of Temple Mills on the internet, this is the best I can muster:



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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:23 AM   #2391
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the new depot seems nicer umm do you remember me?

oh have you ridden on Eurostar recently now that London St Pancras International is open? how was it you have pics or something?
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umm also how is the progression of the Waterloo International Conversion to Regular Domestic Rail Services?
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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:52 AM   #2393
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the new depot seems nicer umm do you remember me?

oh have you ridden on Eurostar recently now that London St Pancras International is open? how was it you have pics or something?
How could I forget?

Yes I went to Brussels in December just after it opened, I should post the photos really. The journey is scarily fast (less than 2 hours), and the English section feels unbelievably quick (espcially compared to the old embarrassment of stop / starting and plodding across South London commuter lines). It literally feels like no sooner have you settled down in your seat, you're entering the Channel Tunnel. There's lots of tunnel so you don't really see an awful lot, especially of London where you're basically in tunnel all the way from Dagenham to St Pancras.
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Old February 24th, 2008, 11:53 AM   #2394
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umm also how is the progression of the Waterloo International Conversion to Regular Domestic Rail Services?
Certainly no visible progress: I'm not entirely sure if it's definitely happening either.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 06:52 AM   #2395
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Certainly no visible progress: I'm not entirely sure if it's definitely happening either.
i thought it was happening i mean Network Rail said that they will convert it to Domestic Rail Service you mean they are lying about that? but what about the capacity at Waterloo they can't just leave it like that, it will get too congested and thats a bad thing.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 06:00 PM   #2396
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EWS will be moved from Old Oak Common (on the north side of the line) to North Pole, and a new Crossrail depot will be built at Old Oak.

At least one platform of Waterloo International will become available in this December's timetable, but don't expect any dramatic changes. The station is definitely being converted to domestic use, but for whatever reason it'll take a couple of years.
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Old February 25th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #2397
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ok then tell me this then what is the Largest Railway yard in England that is considered Epic Scale?

and which is the largest Railway Yard in London?
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Old February 25th, 2008, 09:15 PM   #2398
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ok then tell me this then what is the Largest Railway yard in England that is considered Epic Scale?

and which is the largest Railway Yard in London?
There really isn't much left in the way of large freight yards, Temple Mills used to be the biggest marshalling yard (now occupied by the Eurostar and EWS depots), and there used to be numerous large Goods stations until the 1960's when containerisation and road haulage took over. Some huge tracts of London were railway land, probably the largest being at King's Cross where in addition to the present-day passenger termini at King's Cross and St Pancras there were goods stations at Somers Town (now British Library), St Pancras (to the west of the Midland Main line and south of the North London Line), King's Cross (now the 'King's Cross Railway lands' redevelopment site) and smaller goods yards at Caledonian Road and Maiden Lane which essentially covered the entire triangle of land between Caledonian Road, Camden Town and King's Cross St Pancras tubes.

There were also huge freight facilities at Finsbury Park, Hither Green, Feltham, Goodmayes, Harringay (Ferme Park), Cricklewood etc.

The biggest present-day expanse of sidings is probably Neasden Depot shared by the Metropolitan and Jubilee Lines:

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Old February 25th, 2008, 09:33 PM   #2399
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...The largest yard ever in England (and at one time the largest in Europe) was Whitemoor, near March in Cambridgeshire. It closed completely in 1982 when the line it sat astride closed (March to Spalding), but it has since partially re-opened as an engineering depot. Much of the site has had Whitemoor prison built on it.

Part of Whitemoor Yard, 1927:



Other vast yards linger as shades of their former selves...

Welsh coal awaiting export at Cardiff Docks, 1927:



Margam Yard, S Wales, 1960:



Carlisle Kingmoor Yard, 1963:

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Bloody hell, it's massive!
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