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Old July 16th, 2008, 05:33 PM   #2601
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Thats alot of trains!
A bit of a cheat to be honest...

56, 59 and 62 were essentially the same train as were 72 Mk I and II and C69 / C77.

As a driver I've only effectively driven 4 stocks:

56/59/62 (Northern)
1972 Mk I (Northern)
C69/C77 (District)
D78 (District)

The 67 stock was pushing it, as I said (I've just pressed the 'start' buttons), and I've done a couple of trips on 1972 MkII stock on my new line because I'm a nerd and like driving trains. If I do, I need to be accompanied by an instructor.
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Old July 16th, 2008, 11:16 PM   #2602
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Hello! And welcome to SSC

I never had the chance to drive any of those prototypes, that honour would have been bestowed upon the dedicated Test train drivers. I've driven a few stocks in my time though, some now gone:

1956 Stock (1959 Stock prototype)*
1959 Stock (originally Piccadilly Line but later moved to Northern)*
1962 Stock (originally Central Line but later moved to Northern)*
1967 Stock (Victoria Line, tenuous... I've pushed the buttons to start the ATO)
C69 Stock (District Line)
1972 Mk I Stock (Northern Line)*
1972 Mk II Stock (Bakerloo Line)
C77 Stock (District Line)
D78 Stock (District Line)

Those marked with * are now scrapped

The painted finish to (now) all LU trains was a response to graffiti... The bare aluminium bodies used to carry stains of graffiti which couldn't be buffed off. They are kept clean simply though running through a car wash, but as trains can outstable at locations without a wash they can get very dirty if they outstable at one of these locations for several nights consecutively. An example is the Bakerloo, where trains stable at either Elephant & Castle Sidings, London Road Depot (near Lambeth North), or Stonebridge Park Depot. Only the latter has a car wash, so if a train stables at Elephant & castle or London Road for several consecutive nights it can get very dirty. This is avoided by the timetable, but if a train has its number changed (is 'reformed') due to service disruption it could easily miss its 'turn' to stable at Stonebridge and get dirty.
Out of all those unit types, which do you think were the best ones?
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Old July 16th, 2008, 11:29 PM   #2603
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Out of all those unit types, which do you think were the best ones?
Most reliable = D78



(LOL I know this driver)

Least reliable = 72 MkI

[IMG]http://i35.************/v63c6w.jpg[/IMG]

...Went like the clappers when they decided to work though!

I have the most affection for the 1959 Stock, proper 'old fashioned' train with separate brake and motor handles:

[IMG]http://i35.************/aky3ic.jpg[/IMG]

Not a '59 cab, but the still operating A60 Stock from the Metropolitan Line... the cab layout is the same as the '59s were, only more spacious:

[IMG]http://i37.************/hwjtxg.jpg[/IMG]
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Old July 16th, 2008, 11:45 PM   #2604
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Thank you so much! I'm quite jealous. If I had my way, I'd have been with the MTA since 1971, the year I ended my public schooling. Unfortunately, I was living in Pennsylvania by then and my life followed a different path.
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Old July 17th, 2008, 07:54 AM   #2605
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Why on the victoris line in the middle do they always have two drivers carrisges, facing each toher, did they order too msny or something?
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Old July 17th, 2008, 10:01 PM   #2606
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I've read countless complaints from New York operators that the new single controllers are hard on the hands for express routes. Nothing beats the original. It's akin to a three-speed cloumn mounted manual transmission that many American cars once had. Now it is all but forgotten. So, after all the years you spent operating these trains, did it fulfill your expectations as a profession? I also read about some NY types that dreamed of the job as kids. But when they drew their first pay, it was either agony or ecstacy. Anyway, I love the asthetics of the London system. The larger stock seems like they would fit well here. My favorite is the "F" stock because it appeared so clean in form, yet had those funky ovals on the ends. The smaller tube stock sems to be so narrow to what I am personally accustomed to. But that's typical of anything that's American/mechanical.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 12:00 AM   #2607
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Why on the victoris line in the middle do they always have two drivers carrisges, facing each toher, did they order too msny or something?
The Victoria Line trains are made up of two four car trains coupled together. Each set of four carriages is permanently coupled together and self-contained, with the train's equipment spread along it. This makes the fleet a lot more flexible, in that if two trains have a defective carriage, they can couple together the two working halves into one train, rather than being two trains down.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 01:30 AM   #2608
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Interior Design on EXP Stock

<a href="http://s284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/fijir/ARS-LT-2/?action=view&current=800px-1986-Prototype-Green-Inside.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i284.photobucket.com/albums/ll6/fijir/ARS-LT-2/800px-1986-Prototype-Green-Inside.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
This is so cool! Tube stock is just so very out of the ordinary because of the space shape and space utilization. Also, the color selection is wild here.
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Old July 18th, 2008, 01:31 AM   #2609
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Old July 18th, 2008, 04:01 AM   #2610
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It doesn't look that different from the current Central line 92TS...

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Old July 18th, 2008, 08:14 PM   #2611
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First photo of the new Sub-surface 'S' Stock here and of the final design here.
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Old July 19th, 2008, 02:37 AM   #2612
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First photo of the new Sub-surface 'S' Stock here and of the final design here.
Thank you so much for sharing those pictures. I am surprised and delighted that they are going in this direction. Although, I must admit the oldest stock for that purpose up to the present day have evolved well. I am enthralled with this system, just because I have been a subway nut since my childhood days riding the 3rd Avenue Elevated in the South Bronx, where I was born. Not only that, but my wife was bron in Hendon and grew up in Romford. Itching to see it all!
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Those new 'S stock' trains look like a larger version of the '2009 TS' trains...
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Old July 19th, 2008, 04:50 AM   #2614
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Thank you so much for sharing those pictures. I am surprised and delighted that they are going in this direction. Although, I must admit the oldest stock for that purpose up to the present day have evolved well. I am enthralled with this system, just because I have been a subway nut since my childhood days riding the 3rd Avenue Elevated in the South Bronx, where I was born. Not only that, but my wife was bron in Hendon and grew up in Romford. Itching to see it all!
Have you not been on it yet?
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Old July 19th, 2008, 07:32 PM   #2615
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I've read countless complaints from New York operators that the new single controllers are hard on the hands for express routes. Nothing beats the original. It's akin to a three-speed cloumn mounted manual transmission that many American cars once had. Now it is all but forgotten. So, after all the years you spent operating these trains, did it fulfill your expectations as a profession? I also read about some NY types that dreamed of the job as kids. But when they drew their first pay, it was either agony or ecstacy. Anyway, I love the asthetics of the London system. The larger stock seems like they would fit well here. My favorite is the "F" stock because it appeared so clean in form, yet had those funky ovals on the ends. The smaller tube stock sems to be so narrow to what I am personally accustomed to. But that's typical of anything that's American/mechanical.
I'm also a big fan of the F Stock because of the oval windows, but my all time favourite is the CO/CP and R Stock I remember from the District Line when I was really little... I preferred the red CO/CP Stock because of the colour.

As a career I enjoyed it to a point, but to be blunt the 2 years I was a driver was about as much as I could tolerate, it is ultimately a boring and repetitive job
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Old July 19th, 2008, 10:56 PM   #2616
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The new sub-surface trains look lovely, and better even than the new Victoria line stock. The curved body and large headlights are what a Tube train should look like. You can almost see how it's evolved from the look of the current Circle/Met or even Victoria/Bakerloo stock. I've never been a fan of the current District Line stock, simply because the square headlights along the buffer beam aren't aesthetically pleasing and for me don't resemble a Tube train. However, I'm sure when introduced they looked cutting edge.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 01:44 AM   #2617
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Have you not been on it yet?
No. It's killing me, but we have to save up to get over there. We're shooting for next year. We were in Scotland last year (to visit my wife's family) and the fares have doubled since then. Been on ScotRail many times though.
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Thanks again, Tubeman. I have a smiliar sitaution in my occupation. The daily routine of things that must be done compared to the things that will get done. Routine as opposed to whatever can happen, which is the fun part. Operating a machine all day long seems like it could be a drone. For me, it would be the reward of the motion that I'd get out of driving a subway. Since my childhood, that desire has never waned. However, I'd never work in Philadelphia now because crime is on the rise (although I wouldn't say it can't be ridden). Philly is 70 miles to the south of me. New York is very expensive and comparible with London in that sense. Besides, there is a hefty waiting list for the NY system and I'm 55 years of age.
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Old July 20th, 2008, 03:38 AM   #2619
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No. It's killing me, but we have to save up to get over there. We're shooting for next year. We were in Scotland last year (to visit my wife's family) and the fares have doubled since then. Been on ScotRail many times though.
Well, if you're interested, a good source of LU videos is here.

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Old July 23rd, 2008, 02:41 AM   #2620
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re: ads. They're using great big professional projectors as they need to be very bright to cope with how brightly lit tube platforms are (much brighter than the average office). They could certainly have come up with prettier mountings though.
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The total energy required to power 150 cross track projector (XTP) units for one month is
around 50,000 kWh. Each XTP will consume the same amount of electricity as just over three
32" widescreen LCD televisions.
The advertising screens will be operational throughout the Tube opening times (typically 05.30
to 01.00 Mon-Sat and 0700 to 2330 Sunday).
The use of digital advertising will reduce the amount of paper wet-posted onto tunnel walls,
which cannot be recycled (due to the paste applied), for advertising on our stations. This will
save an estimated 4 tonnes of waste that would go to landfill sites per year.
...
London Underground has undertaken a study on the heat impact of digital advertising media.
The study concluded that the impact on platform temperatures is negligible.
Alternatively put the projectors on trains to shine on tunnel walls

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