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Old August 15th, 2008, 08:43 PM   #2721
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Actually, I've just spotted an actual error! I used the southbound Thameslink platform at St. Pancras International yesterday - to get there I entered the old building, walked through the undercroft, turned right and kept going north, definitely passed under the transition between the Barlow shed and extension, went through the ticket gates, kept going north, went down the escalator, kept going north, went down another escalator, and the platform was on my left, with several car lengths' worth still to the north. On page 54 the Thameslink platforms go no further than the Barlow shed...
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Old August 15th, 2008, 08:48 PM   #2722
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Still a fine body of work though. How many emails did you get with "suggestions"?
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Old August 15th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #2723
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Heh, heh, I was just being mischievous - I didn't even have the book to hand when I wrote that It would have been cool if I'd picked page 45 though (where you typed Ashstead instead of Ashtead ).
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I still contend the spelling of that town is stupid
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Old August 15th, 2008, 08:51 PM   #2724
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Still a fine body of work though. How many emails did you get with "suggestions"?
Hundreds, and dozens of old-fashioned letters from old-timers (they sent them via the publisher). Some useful, some confusing, some downright weird.
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Old August 15th, 2008, 08:52 PM   #2725
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Actually, I've just spotted an actual error! I used the southbound Thameslink platform at St. Pancras International yesterday - to get there I entered the old building, walked through the undercroft, turned right and kept going north, definitely passed under the transition between the Barlow shed and extension, went through the ticket gates, kept going north, went down the escalator, kept going north, went down another escalator, and the platform was on my left, with several car lengths' worth still to the north. On page 54 the Thameslink platforms go no further than the Barlow shed...
Yes you are right: the new TL platforms are further north than I thought... It's always tricky with underground structures, understandably... You can't see them on Google earth!
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Old August 15th, 2008, 10:10 PM   #2726
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Tubeman........................Q stock

Then I seriously doubt that there is a "living" example of "Q" stock around. Those units look so classy and cool. I read that they were too powerful and that they used less motor units in their consists. I have also seen many photos of the earliest tube stock. They look like submarines on wheels, very threatening is a way.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 02:37 AM   #2727
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Then I seriously doubt that there is a "living" example of "Q" stock around. Those units look so classy and cool. I read that they were too powerful and that they used less motor units in their consists. I have also seen many photos of the earliest tube stock. They look like submarines on wheels, very threatening is a way.
The 'Q' stock were great looking, yes... But I think there's a motor car in the LT Museum proper at Covent Garden. Nothing working though...
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Old August 16th, 2008, 05:22 AM   #2728
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Tubeman.........Q again

Well, I'm sure it's worth a look. That's the good thing about saving things like that, you can at least experience it ina dimensional way. You can get a sense for how it was. The past is so cool because you can read about it and see how it turned out. When it comes to design, the evolution of it's stages throughout it's life can be marked. The NY system is a series of contradictions in that they never saved many of the revolutionary models that were developed, built and used. But many people recall them as they were when they rode them. Some if the BMT designs (first the BRT, then the BMT) were way ahead of their time. Even the test mules ran for years until they could no longer be repaired. The Green Hornet was made of aluminum and was recycled for WWII. The units you operated in the past compared with what's being used today represent the stages of development of the breed. One of the most interesting points for me is the people who rode them, each with a story and with lives that made it necessary to ride mass transit. It became a part of them, like the family automobile and they never forget the experience.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 11:55 AM   #2729
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Et voila! You saw it here first!

As you can see, I've mapped every track and platform, which presented some really fiddly bits, especially the termini. This means there's a little distortion in areas, but I think it's worth it.

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Old August 16th, 2008, 12:38 PM   #2730
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Wow! I love it! When's it coming out?
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Old August 16th, 2008, 12:57 PM   #2731
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wow man that looks like a fine map and what detail it has about the tracks and so forth.

so is there more areas about this it shows alot of the history of the Railways around london and such.
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Old August 16th, 2008, 07:59 PM   #2732
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Wow, I particularly love the Victoria line, it's interesting to see how the Victoria line slides between other lines to provide cross-platform interchange at so many stations!
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Old August 17th, 2008, 12:28 AM   #2733
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Yes. Wow. The Victoria wizes straight past Arsenal. Didn't realise that.
The books has been on my wishlist for a while. Hopefully someone one day...
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Old August 17th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #2734
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Wow! I love it! When's it coming out?
I'm aiming for Christmas but with each passing week that's looking a little less likely. I've re-drawn all 40-odd 'main' map pages in this format and am now on the zoomed-in maps at the end, but I want to add a few more to these so I've realistically got a couple more months of work, including updating the index ( x1,000).
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Old August 17th, 2008, 11:54 AM   #2735
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Wow, I particularly love the Victoria line, it's interesting to see how the Victoria line slides between other lines to provide cross-platform interchange at so many stations!

No doubt it would have been the easiest way to integrate the Victoria line into existing stations, considering it was built recently (compared to the rest of the lines)
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Old August 17th, 2008, 12:00 PM   #2736
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wow man that looks like a fine map and what detail it has about the tracks and so forth.

so is there more areas about this it shows alot of the history of the Railways around london and such.
Thanks ...Pretty much all of London within the M25 is mapped to this scale, so about 50 pages. I've attempted to include every single last scrap of railway infrastructure that has ever existed, but that is practically impossible... I'm confident every line, station, goods yard and depot is on there... But despite pouring over hundreds of OS maps the odd sidings or railway-served factory might have escaped my attention.

I've 'discovered' some pretty interesting industrial railway networks through my research.
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Old August 17th, 2008, 12:01 PM   #2737
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Wow, I particularly love the Victoria line, it's interesting to see how the Victoria line slides between other lines to provide cross-platform interchange at so many stations!

A great design feature
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Old August 17th, 2008, 11:24 PM   #2738
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Looks amazing Tubeman. One question, why do a few lines swap sides and then back again, looking at the map you posted, from Camden Town to Tuffnell Park the line crosses for Kentish Town. I also see it on KingsCross St Pancras to Highbury Islington?
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Old August 18th, 2008, 12:41 AM   #2739
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Looks amazing Tubeman. One question, why do a few lines swap sides and then back again, looking at the map you posted, from Camden Town to Tuffnell Park the line crosses for Kentish Town. I also see it on KingsCross St Pancras to Highbury Islington?

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It's 'lost' a bit being j-pegged above, the PDF (which is what the printers use) is a lot crisper with better colours.

The Victoria Line switches around to facilitate more logical cross-platform interchange at Euston... I don't know why the Northern Line does it through Kentish Town and between Borough and Moorgate... Both stretches involve the lines being stacked one above the other due to narrow roads above, but I don't know why this would necessitate the directions swapping over, as they are clearly the 'wrong way around' through London Bridge and Bank.

The only example I do know the reason for is Shepherd's Bush - north of White City, which came about as the 1920 extension to Ealing Broadway was built off the 1908 terminal loop through Wood lane station which ran anti-clockwise, so as a consequence the Northbound and Southbound are the opposite way around through White City.
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Old August 18th, 2008, 02:49 AM   #2740
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Borough-Moorgate is due to them being forced to make trains running uphill to King William Street use the tunnel with the shallower gradient, which was on the right. When they extended south, they made the tunnels swap to have left-hand running on the extension, and when they extended north, ditto.

Kentish Town is a one above the other layout, with each platfrom on the east side of the track. While the centrelines of the tunnels cross, they don't swap completely like you've drawn them.
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