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Old December 24th, 2005, 12:42 AM   #281
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Has the Tube come back to full form in all respects from 7/7? Is there any lingering damage?
None. Even the number of security alerts has receded back to pre-7/7 levels.

Its as if it never happened, which is great.

Don't forget the Tube had been bombed before and London was attacked near-constantly for 25 years by the IRA. We'd never seen anything on the scale of 7/7 before (in terms of casualties), but a bomb is a bomb is a bomb.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 01:20 AM   #282
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Dear Tubeman,

why is Finsbury Park station closed? It took me bloody ages to drive up there
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Old December 24th, 2005, 03:18 AM   #283
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Probably worse than most
If I stand correct, I believe Jubilee Line will be the first to get a full upgrade with brand new signals along with the 7th carriage.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 05:12 AM   #284
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Here's a general one:

Why are rail freight services profitable while passenger services aren't?
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Old December 24th, 2005, 01:39 PM   #285
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why is Finsbury Park station closed? It took me bloody ages to drive up there
It is? I didn't know

Must be refurbishment?
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Old December 24th, 2005, 01:41 PM   #286
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If I stand correct, I believe Jubilee Line will be the first to get a full upgrade with brand new signals along with the 7th carriage.
I'd say the Central Line was first; everything was upgraded (new trains, new signalling (ATO)), although between the first new trains rolling out and the line going totally ATO was over 10 years!

The Jubilee is next in line for ATO, but I don't think the resignalling has begun yet. The Christmas closure is purely to add the 7th car.
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Old December 24th, 2005, 01:44 PM   #287
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Here's a general one:

Why are rail freight services profitable while passenger services aren't?
Market forces I suppose. People don't usually pay what it costs for passenger rail, its almost always subsidised to a large degree. If passengers had to cover all of the operating costs in fares they'd be scared back to their cars, as prices would double.

Freight carriers can charge what it actually costs plus a profit because one train of stone or coal is equal to 30 lorries, so its cheaper (and more environmentally friendly).
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Old December 24th, 2005, 06:22 PM   #288
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I'd say the Central Line was first; everything was upgraded (new trains, new signalling (ATO)), although between the first new trains rolling out and the line going totally ATO was over 10 years!

The Jubilee is next in line for ATO, but I don't think the resignalling has begun yet. The Christmas closure is purely to add the 7th car.
I have to say, the recent reduced service on the Jubilee has, in my opinion at least, led to a quicker service. Sure carriages are a bit more overcrowded than they otherwise were - but the trains are doing less of that coming to a complete stop thing midway between stations - getting you to your destination quicker.

Adding a 7th carriage and 4 new trains (I think) but not upgrading the signalling is surely asking for more delays and congestion and stopping and misery on the line?
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Old December 24th, 2005, 09:13 PM   #289
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Well, I think they said they were going to upgrade the signals after the 7th carriage is added to the line.
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Old December 25th, 2005, 02:27 AM   #290
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I have to say, the recent reduced service on the Jubilee has, in my opinion at least, led to a quicker service. Sure carriages are a bit more overcrowded than they otherwise were - but the trains are doing less of that coming to a complete stop thing midway between stations - getting you to your destination quicker.

Adding a 7th carriage and 4 new trains (I think) but not upgrading the signalling is surely asking for more delays and congestion and stopping and misery on the line?
The Jubilee Line was expected to be ATO from the very beginning of the extension... It wasn't, for various reasons. The current signalling was installed as a stop-gap... It is pathetically sparse; apparently there's only 1 signal between Cananda water and Canary Wharf, hence the poor service at present. This is temporary; once the ATO is installed the Jubilee Line will provide 35tph as opposed to the current 20tph
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Old December 27th, 2005, 08:42 PM   #291
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What's the shortest distance between two stations, five stops apart on the same line?
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Old December 27th, 2005, 10:08 PM   #292
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What's the shortest distance between two stations, five stops apart on the same line?
Hmmm... Dunno...

Are you asking because you know, or because you want to know?

If you're being a smart arse it could be:

Hounslow West - (Hatton Cross - Heathrow T4 - Heathrow T123 - Hatton Cross) - Hounslow West

i.e. the same station
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Old December 29th, 2005, 12:47 AM   #293
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*cough* Any more?
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Old December 29th, 2005, 01:01 AM   #294
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have you ever been driving a train that has stooped working, derailed, or otherwise malfunctioned?
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Old December 29th, 2005, 02:49 AM   #295
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have you ever been driving a train that has stooped working, derailed, or otherwise malfunctioned?
You get 'defects' fairly frequently on trains as a driver, but you're trained to rectify them as much as possible. The only major defect I ever got was on the very last train I drove as a driver in 2001; I was trying to bring it out of the depot and it wouldn't move. Thats it; I was pretty lucky really. Some defects (like bursts on the air pipes) are very debilitating and can cause a train to stall for hours, but I never got a 'burst'.

I never derailed (that's pretty rare, thankfully) but came very close about 2 weeks before my last day driving.

I was at Barking Westbound and heard about a kink in the rails approaching East Ham (the next station) over the train radio (the train in front had reported the problem), but didn't give it enough credance, as there was a bad 'kick' in the track approaching East Ham that I already knew about... I assumed it was that.

To set the scene; it was a blistering hot June day, about 32C, and the rails had been partially replaced between Barking and East Ham, but as the job hadn't been completed yet there were no expansion joints. I merrily departed Barking, climbing steeply up onto the flyover over the Mainline before being 'launched' by the steep descent off it; you can accelerate very quickly and go from 30mph at the crest of the flyover to 50mph within about 20 seconds as the train is dragged over the summit and coasts steeply downhill.

I rounded the curve past the Mainline depot at East Ham at about 55mph and saw an eastbound District Line train stopped with the driver frantically waving his arms at me... I applied the emergency brake and watched helplessly as I rounded the curve further to see the rails ahead of me warped and buckled out of line by about a foot. The train wasn't going to stop in time, so I braced myself to derail as I passed over the buckling but as the train ground to a halt about 2 cars past the buckling I realised that I hadn't derailed. I thought the best plan of action was to drive as slowly as I could and get the rest of my train over the warped track, so I gingerly drove at 2mph, with my head stuck out of the side looking back to see if I was derailing... I didn't.

As far as I'm concerned, the other driver probably saved my life by stopping me, because if he hadn't I would have hit the damaged track at 55mph and certainly derailed, probably across the adjacent Mainline C2C.

A close call!
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Old December 29th, 2005, 03:06 AM   #296
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Shocking story Tubeman...glad you didn't derail

The train between Chalfont and Latimer completely stopped today just before pulling into Chesham station and we had to wait for over half an hour while the driver tried everything to move the train forward. Eventually they managed to move the front of the train very slowly onto part of the platform and everyone had to walk up to the only set of open doors on the platform. I think he was driving it manually after we started moving again as it was very very slow and another driver had to be at the other end of the train for some reason?
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Old December 29th, 2005, 03:09 AM   #297
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Tubeman

Don't know if this had been asked. Was always wondering.

The MRT (subway) here has another track on the inside of the tracks the wheels run on. And this double track is only at elevated sections.

Why? What is it for?

Thanks!
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Old December 29th, 2005, 04:47 AM   #298
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Don't know if this had been asked. Was always wondering.

The MRT (subway) here has another track on the inside of the tracks the wheels run on. And this double track is only at elevated sections.

Why? What is it for?

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My guess is that they are rails to hold the sleepers in place to prevent it from moving in the direction of travel, think the phenomenon is called "Creeping". Not too sure
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what do they look like? They could be used to support the train and prevent the possibility of falling off.
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Old December 29th, 2005, 10:59 AM   #300
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Having spent Xmas in and around London, I have another question for you Tubeman.

Why do all Rail services shut at Christmas? London is a major city, and I don't know of any city, major or minor outside of Britain that has no services on Xmas Day.

How do people get around if they don't have a car? It seemed all public transport was shut down that day.

And to make it even more bizarre, there were no mainline rail services on Boxing Day either. My girlfriend and I were in Hemel Hempstead on Boxing day, planning a day in London, and all Mainline train services were closed. Fortunately, I got a lift to Watford underground station but then found that closed as well. We had to get to Rickmansworth before we could find a limited service into London.

It was quite amazing. If we couldn't have got that lift into Rickmansworth there would have been no way to travel into London (even the coaches were closed), and this is totally amazing for one of the top three cities in the world.

I work in IT, and have to work some Xmas's. If not, you would have no Internet Xmas day. There are plenty of other businesses operating, and people need to get to work, as well as people who have the day off, need to reach their relatives for the festivities.

How long has this been the norm, and will National Rail and the Underground wake up and realize it's quite embarrassing?
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