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Old December 30th, 2008, 10:39 AM   #3201
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Hey Tubeman. Merry Xmas and all that. Any news on your updated rail book for London? :O) My fingers are itching to order...
July, apparently... They wanted to shift all of the copies of the First edition first. As I've got a bit longer than I thought to play with, I'm filling in the time by churning out more large-scale 'inset' maps of the more complex areas.

I'm getting quite excited about it, it's looking really good
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Old December 30th, 2008, 11:43 AM   #3202
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1) Hmmm I'm not convinced... 'Inter' means between, so 'Interchange' makes perfect sense to me. The opposite of 'Outer' would be 'Intra'.
'Inner', surely?
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Old December 30th, 2008, 12:56 PM   #3203
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'Inner', surely?
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Old December 30th, 2008, 04:50 PM   #3204
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I think "outerchange" is out-er-change, as opposed to outer-change: you have to go out, rather than staying in (which is the case in an in-ter-change). Out is the opposite of in, and outterchange is a bit silly, so drop one of those 't's.

It's a rather witty pun, though based on an odd construstion of interchange, which is inter-change, not in-ter-change.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 12:42 AM   #3205
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July, apparently... They wanted to shift all of the copies of the First edition first. As I've got a bit longer than I thought to play with, I'm filling in the time by churning out more large-scale 'inset' maps of the more complex areas.

I'm getting quite excited about it, it's looking really good
Thanks for the update. Cool that you are adding extra inserts as well while you have the time.

Will pre order this as soon as I see it up.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 10:08 AM   #3206
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Hi Tubeman, got an unusual query for you, this morning the heater wasnt switched on in the picadilly line, and it was -3. I was very tempted, to go and ask the driver to switch the heater on when the train stopped at a station. is that a right way of doing it?

what is the right way of dealing with such an issue?
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Old December 31st, 2008, 11:06 AM   #3207
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Hi Tubeman, got an unusual query for you, this morning the heater wasnt switched on in the picadilly line, and it was -3. I was very tempted, to go and ask the driver to switch the heater on when the train stopped at a station. is that a right way of doing it?

what is the right way of dealing with such an issue?
Might be worth having a polite word with the driver, yes... It varies from stock to stock, but I think the Piccadilly 1973 stock have a 'Heat and Vent' button which should always be cut in, as thermostats either turn on heaters or ceiling vents depending on the temperature. For this reason it's unusual that the 'Heat & Vent' would be cut out as it should always be cut in, so a more likely explanation is that the thermostat was knackered in the particular car.

If you want to be flash, note the 3-digit car number and when you report the lack of heaters the driver can note down on the trouble card a likely thermostat defect in that car if they confirm the 'Heat & Vent' is in fact cut in.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 12:21 PM   #3208
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Hey Tubeman - happy new year!

If money were no object, just from an engineering/service point of view, would tunneling under Earl's Court and making the Wimbleware entirely separate be a good thing? I'm thinking platforms underneath the existing station, removing a couple of train movements from the existing District Line station? Would this be feasible or is the site too constrained (again, remember money is no object!)?
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Old December 31st, 2008, 02:35 PM   #3209
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Hey Tubeman - happy new year!

If money were no object, just from an engineering/service point of view, would tunneling under Earl's Court and making the Wimbleware entirely separate be a good thing? I'm thinking platforms underneath the existing station, removing a couple of train movements from the existing District Line station? Would this be feasible or is the site too constrained (again, remember money is no object!)?
It's actually easier than that: all that's required to fully segregate the services is a new flyunder to the east of the station taking the eastbound track ex-Platform 2 under the eastbound track ex-platform 1. This would mean Platforms 2 and 4 would be Wimbleware and Platforms 1 and 3 the 'main' line between The City and Richmond / Ealing / Olympia.

Obviously the Wimbleware frequency would need to double to compensate for the loss of 'City' trains from the Wimbledon Branch, which might pose capacity problems beyond High St Ken, especially at Edgware Road... In my opinion Wimbleware should become an H&C branch, maybe with 2 overlapping services (Hammersmith to Barking and Whitechapel to Wimbledon via Edgware Road). One option is to run half the trains ex-Wimbledon no further than High Street Kensington, on the assumption that a lot of customers would cross-platform transfer onto City trains at Earl's Court anyway.

As there would be no 'run around' flexibility at Earl's Court with segregation, the depot there should be closed and Parson's Green re-opened (this is because otherwise having no driver for a train could shut the entire line down, most crew relief locations have adjacent sidings to dump driverless trains on or a spare platform to run around). The District Line pick-ups lost should be transferred to Acton Town and Barking depots.

I personally am all for rationalising SSR operations and removing junctions wherever possible, and this new flyunder at Earl's Court is a great way of segregating services and removing the usual dallying approaching that station.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 03:00 PM   #3210
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Might be worth having a polite word with the driver, yes... It varies from stock to stock, but I think the Piccadilly 1973 stock have a 'Heat and Vent' button which should always be cut in, as thermostats either turn on heaters or ceiling vents depending on the temperature. For this reason it's unusual that the 'Heat & Vent' would be cut out as it should always be cut in, so a more likely explanation is that the thermostat was knackered in the particular car.

If you want to be flash, note the 3-digit car number and when you report the lack of heaters the driver can note down on the trouble card a likely thermostat defect in that car if they confirm the 'Heat & Vent' is in fact cut in.

Superb answer, Thank you so much and Happy New Year
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Old December 31st, 2008, 03:13 PM   #3211
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Superb answer, Thank you so much and Happy New Year
No problem. Of course this smartarse approach runs the risk of you being told to piss off too

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Old December 31st, 2008, 05:00 PM   #3212
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thats what i was worried about too, which is why i did not attempt it. It was the whole train that the heater was not on, i changed 2 carriages. It was particularly bad when the train came up surface in Arnos grove (got on tube in southgate) 1st and then Barons court and Hammersmith, where i got off. Next time i will take the 3 digit number and ask the driver as politely as i can.
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Old December 31st, 2008, 07:43 PM   #3213
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thats what i was worried about too, which is why i did not attempt it. It was the whole train that the heater was not on, i changed 2 carriages. It was particularly bad when the train came up surface in Arnos grove (got on tube in southgate) 1st and then Barons court and Hammersmith, where i got off. Next time i will take the 3 digit number and ask the driver as politely as i can.
Oh well if it was more than one car then 'Heat and Vent' probably was knocked out... Either way, worth telling the driver nicely, chances are they won't bite
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Old January 1st, 2009, 03:30 PM   #3214
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Can I just say the New Year's Eve service seemed a lot better this time around than the two last years? Trains were a lot more frequent.
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Old January 1st, 2009, 07:08 PM   #3215
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Oh well if it was more than one car then 'Heat and Vent' probably was knocked out... Either way, worth telling the driver nicely, chances are they won't bite
I have a question... why on the Victoria line is there always two drivers carriages in the middle? Why not use ordinary carriages?
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Old January 1st, 2009, 07:30 PM   #3216
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Pricemazda's question has made me think of three questions

1- i read that the 2009 stock will have a max speed of 50mph same as the DLR but less than other stocks, why is that? I woulda thought with long stretches with no station (especially seven sisters to finsbury park) it would run faster

2- On the seven sisters to finsbury park section, i read that the plan was to originally runt he piccadillys direct to wood green and have the victoria take over Manor house, why was this dropped? would it be a good idea now? they could maybe then justify a station at harringay green lanes... helping LO and it's interchanges...

3- Why is the new DLR stock not one long Articulated car instead of 3 short articulated cars coupled together, surely it would add more capacity. Is it to with flexibility?

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Can I just say the New Year's Eve service seemed a lot better this time around than the two last years? Trains were a lot more frequent.
I don't think it was particularly enhanced over last year... We probably just got a bit smarter dealing with the tide of vomit this year. Every train with vomit on the seats has to be withdrawn and run to depot, and on NYE that can be every other train. We've deployed armies of cleaners with spill kits this year, and it seem to have worked... services would have seemed more frequent because there were fewer trains 'missing' due to vomit.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 12:21 AM   #3218
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I have a question... why on the Victoria line is there always two drivers carriages in the middle? Why not use ordinary carriages?
67 Stock are 2 4-car trains (units) coupled together, and each has a driver's cab at each end. Even though they were never intended to run in anything but 8-car formations the capability to split a train in half was deemed desirable for dealing with 'one unders' etc and for chopping and changing units in the depot if there was major damage or a defect.

All trains still are made up of 'units' coupled together, but on newer stocks there generally aren't fully functioning driver's cabs in the middle, just rudimetary 'shunting cabinets' which can be opened to access basic controls.
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Old January 2nd, 2009, 12:31 AM   #3219
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Pricemazda's question has made me think of three questions

1- i read that the 2009 stock will have a max speed of 50mph same as the DLR but less than other stocks, why is that? I woulda thought with long stretches with no station (especially seven sisters to finsbury park) it would run faster

2- On the seven sisters to finsbury park section, i read that the plan was to originally runt he piccadillys direct to wood green and have the victoria take over Manor house, why was this dropped? would it be a good idea now? they could maybe then justify a station at harringay green lanes... helping LO and it's interchanges...

3- Why is the new DLR stock not one long Articulated car instead of 3 short articulated cars coupled together, surely it would add more capacity. Is it to with flexibility?

Cheers tubeman
1) On the longest / fastest stretch (Seven Sisters to Finsbury Park SB) the 67 stock currently hit around 47 mph... this is very fast for deep-level Tube (it's very rare for deep-level Tube trains to hit 40mph between stations, and 30mph is more usual). The JLE manages over 50mph but benefits from much better track (continuously welded flat bottom rail, concreted in sleepers with shock absorption), I think unless the entire Victoria Line was radically overhauled, 50mph is about as fast as it will comfortably get.

2) I guess this would be a little pointless. There was definitely supposed to be a station at St Ann's Road about halfway between 7 Sisters and Finsbury Park, but this too was dropped. I dunno if it was out of economy, or in order to speed up journies.

3) I would presume so. Not all of the DLR network is being upgraded to 3-unit, so to allow the same units to be used universally they need to come in combinations of 2 or 3 unit formations.
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Old January 3rd, 2009, 04:46 PM   #3220
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cheers tubeman

did the north kent line used to be quad track between woolwich Arsenal and Dartford? it looks so... if so why doesn't crossrail use that alignment to get that far?
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