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Old January 23rd, 2009, 06:49 PM   #3361
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There should be a tubeman.com tube blog.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 12:35 AM   #3362
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There should be a tubeman.com tube blog.
I'd suggest something like a protected wiki at Wikispaces or another free/cheap host and CMS service.
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Old January 24th, 2009, 12:29 PM   #3363
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I dunno how best to do this: maybe in the short term I'll edit the first post in the thread to have a load of FAQs linking to posts within the thread?

I'm thinking about creating a website for promotion of the second edition of the LRA, I'm envious of Mark Ovenden's one... I want one like that!
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Old January 24th, 2009, 02:03 PM   #3364
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good initial list of questions, Tubeman

Cheers

Hopefully this should make your life a bit easier too and might cause people to think of new questions you haven't answered before! After all, we don't want this thread to die..
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Old January 24th, 2009, 04:13 PM   #3365
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good initial list of questions, Tubeman

Cheers

Hopefully this should make your life a bit easier too and might cause people to think of new questions you haven't answered before! After all, we don't want this thread to die..
That's just from the first 15 pages of this thread!!! More later...
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Old January 24th, 2009, 07:43 PM   #3366
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...managed the first 50 so far... That's me for today
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Old January 25th, 2009, 04:05 PM   #3367
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Just in case you need to ask, I am a driver on London Overground.
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Old January 25th, 2009, 08:12 PM   #3368
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Just in case you need to ask, I am a driver on London Overground.
I don't, but before I forget: is it LOROL, LORO or LORL? I've seen all 3 used!
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Old January 26th, 2009, 01:25 AM   #3369
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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:54 AM   #3370
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Old January 26th, 2009, 10:45 PM   #3371
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Old January 29th, 2009, 05:52 PM   #3372
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An open question:

There is a mass of development due in the Heathrow area over the next decade, particularly if the third runway and Heathrow rail hub go ahead.

What would your ideal local solution be to solve the issues of interchange between all 6 terminals at Heathrow, the rail hub, Crossrail and the existing Piccadilly line?

Assume the following:
1) Third Runway is to be built
2a) Heathrow Rail Hub is to be built west of West Drayton, near the M25 OR
2b) Heathrow Rail Hub is to be built East of the Crossrail / HEx junction with GWR
3) The Piccadilly already has a link between Hatton Cross and T4 (single track), and Hatton Cross and T1,2,3 and T5 (double track)
4) T6 is planned to be near the existing access road from the M4

Criteria
1) Maximum capacity should be aimed for, because while there are already road links, we want to maximise the use of public transport in, around, and getting to LHR
2) Wholesale redevelopment of LHR, particularly subterrainean, should be avoided. Keep your answers sensible!
3) Bear in mind the staffing requirements at LHR. Good public transport access for staff who live in the local areas around LHR is considered a definite plus.

Answers on a postcard please!
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Old January 29th, 2009, 07:00 PM   #3373
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Can you post a sample again of your new book? The old sample (on about page 140 or thereabouts) is no longer visible

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Old January 30th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #3374
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Can you post a sample again of your new book? The old sample (on about page 140 or thereabouts) is no longer visible

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Weird... Page 137, I can still see it fine; it's Tinypic:

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Old January 30th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #3375
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An open question:

There is a mass of development due in the Heathrow area over the next decade, particularly if the third runway and Heathrow rail hub go ahead.

What would your ideal local solution be to solve the issues of interchange between all 6 terminals at Heathrow, the rail hub, Crossrail and the existing Piccadilly line?

Assume the following:
1) Third Runway is to be built
2a) Heathrow Rail Hub is to be built west of West Drayton, near the M25 OR
2b) Heathrow Rail Hub is to be built East of the Crossrail / HEx junction with GWR
3) The Piccadilly already has a link between Hatton Cross and T4 (single track), and Hatton Cross and T1,2,3 and T5 (double track)
4) T6 is planned to be near the existing access road from the M4

Criteria
1) Maximum capacity should be aimed for, because while there are already road links, we want to maximise the use of public transport in, around, and getting to LHR
2) Wholesale redevelopment of LHR, particularly subterrainean, should be avoided. Keep your answers sensible!
3) Bear in mind the staffing requirements at LHR. Good public transport access for staff who live in the local areas around LHR is considered a definite plus.

Answers on a postcard please!
All I can think of for now is to extend the T5 stub into a loop curving north, through T6, then back to Hatton Cross... So all trains serve 1/2/3, and alternate trains either T4 or T5 & T6.
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Old January 30th, 2009, 02:36 AM   #3376
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I'd try to have the HSL hub station at T6, with 4 platforms - two for reversers and two for through trains, mostly on a London-Reading HSL to create capacity on both the GWML east of Reading, and the SWML east of Basingstoke.

T6 would be on Crossrail anyway, as the terminal is above the tunnel.

I'd extend Airtrack via the Central area to T6. Crossrail would go to T4, Staines and Weybridge and you'd have T6 to Reading via Wokingham and Guildford as well. 4tracking T5-T6 would probably be needed.

I'd also add a free railway, consisting of some loops - clockwise you'd have T6-Cen-T4-T5-T6 and anti-clockwise you'd have T6-T5-Cen-T6 and Cen-T4-T5-Cen. This would allow one stop journeys for everything but T4 to T6 and vice verse.

In terms of tube it's difficult, and will be messy! I haven't yet decided how to do it.
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Yes, I think it's difficult and messy too - hence why I asked the question!

I suppose the following movements of people are the most critical:
1) T1,2,3 & T4 & T5 & T6 --> London
2) Inter-terminal travel
3) From HSL Hub to terminals

One option is this:

a) Scrap T4 Piccadilly loop
b) Build T6 station on HEx/Crossrail link to GWR
c) Build HSL Hub on ex-West Drayton Coal Depot land facing East-West. GWR and Crossrail (not LHR branch) trains would stop here.
d) Extend Piccadilly from T5 west-bound to join with North half of Staines Branch line. Double-track this line (if possible) all the way up to HSL Hub. Scrap link to GWR, unless useful for maintenance purposes.
e) Build 4-6 track Piccadilly station at HSL Hub. Use this as Piccadilly terminus.
f) Build a short tunnel under Uxbridge from Piccadilly/Metropolitan line facing NE-SW. Extend overground southwards towards HSL Hub.
g) Scrap Metropolitan line services to Uxbridge.
h) Build better interchange at West Ruislip with Central Line
i) Replace overground Uxbridge station with a station on the underground route through Uxbridge.
j) Grade-separate and 4-track between Acton Town and North Ealing so that Piccadilly trains do not conflict with each other and District trains
k) Run Piccadilly trains in both directions round this new loop - should be able to reach 12 tph if they currently run 24tph on central section.

In summary:
i) T1,2,3 to London via HEx / Crossrail / Piccadilly
ii) T4 to London via Crossrail or change at T1,2,3
iii) T5 to London via HEx / Piccadilly or change at T1,2,3 or HSL Hub
iv) T6 to London via HEx / Crossrail or change at T1,2,3
v) T1,2,3,5 to HSL Hub via Piccadilly direct
vi) T4,6 to HSL Hub via Crossrail to T1,2,3 and change to Piccadilly
vii) Uxbridge to London via Piccadilly, or change at HSL Hub for Crossrail, or change at West Ruislip for Central / Chiltern services.
viii) Uxbridge to Metropolitan stations (like Harrow-on-the-Hill) - bus services

This should be quite an easy Piccadilly service to operate since provision would be made at HSL Hub for trains to terminate. It is predicted that not too many people would want to travel from LHR-Uxbridge, and that these people would have to change at HSL Hub for the first train in the right direction. "Short-running" trains can reverse at Rayners Lane / Northfields.

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Old January 30th, 2009, 06:56 PM   #3378
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Photo Essay on Tube

Hi Tubeman -

If you hadn't already seen it, I thought everyone would be interested in this photo essay on the Tube that appeared in the January 9th issue of Time magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/photogaller...870615,00.html

The photos are captioned with interesting bits of trivia; for example, within a few months of the Metropolitan Line opening in January, 1863, it was carrying over 26,000 passengers a day!

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Old January 30th, 2009, 10:35 PM   #3379
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Hi Tubeman -

If you hadn't already seen it, I thought everyone would be interested in this photo essay on the Tube that appeared in the January 9th issue of Time magazine:
http://www.time.com/time/photogaller...870615,00.html

The photos are captioned with interesting bits of trivia; for example, within a few months of the Metropolitan Line opening in January, 1863, it was carrying over 26,000 passengers a day!

Best - Kent
Cool - thanks for posting. Some incorrect information though. I really don't tihnk that worker is cleaning the insulator pots on the live rail, unless the Tube has started placing the live rail right below the platforms in stations. The live rail should be on the opposite side, I think the worker is working on a running rail.
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Old January 31st, 2009, 12:15 AM   #3380
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Cool - thanks for posting. Some incorrect information though. I really don't tihnk that worker is cleaning the insulator pots on the live rail, unless the Tube has started placing the live rail right below the platforms in stations. The live rail should be on the opposite side, I think the worker is working on a running rail.
Are you referring to pic 8?
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