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Old February 12th, 2009, 10:35 PM   #3441
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Forgive me, please, for being behind the times. But I do remember hearing 3 or 4 years ago of a plan to remove the Circle Line from the network by in 2009. Has this plan been completely dropped? I've never been a fan of the Circle Line, so wouldn't really miss it if it wasn't there.

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Yeah it's definitely on the cards I think, don't know exact timescales... It's just a timetable change, I guess when the S Stock are in.
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Old February 13th, 2009, 01:41 AM   #3442
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Yeah it's definitely on the cards I think, don't know exact timescales... It's just a timetable change, I guess when the S Stock are in.
How could Edgware Road and Praed Street junction ever handle this?
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Old February 13th, 2009, 12:00 PM   #3443
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How could Edgware Road and Praed Street junction ever handle this?

Should be ok I think, no worse than now... To me by far the simplest solution is to run everything Hammersmith - anticlockwise lap of Circle Line - Barking - clockwise lap of Circle Line - Hammersmith, which covers the entire current operations of the Circle and H&C Lines in a single line with 2 termini. The destination would be quite confusing though, I guess it would have to change a couple of times during the journey.

On the eastbound trip it could leave Hammersmith as 'Liverpool Street', then change to 'Circle' when it gets to Edgware Road EB, then change to 'Barking' when it gets back to Edgware Road EB again for the remainder of the run through to Barking. On the westbound trip it could leave Barking as 'Edgware Road', change to 'Circle' at Liverpool Street WB, then change to 'Hammersmith' upon getting round to Liverpool Street WB again for the remainder of the trip to Hammersmith.

If this service runs 8 tph then it'll double up between Edgware Rd and Liverpool St to give 16 tph, leaving room for 8 tph Wimbleware between Praed St - Edgware Rd and 8 tph Metropolitan Line Baker St - Aldgate (i.e. 24 tph total between Baker St and Liverpool St).
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Old February 13th, 2009, 01:57 PM   #3444
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Should be ok I think, no worse than now... To me by far the simplest solution is to run everything Hammersmith - anticlockwise lap of Circle Line - Barking - clockwise lap of Circle Line - Hammersmith, which covers the entire current operations of the Circle and H&C Lines in a single line with 2 termini. The destination would be quite confusing though, I guess it would have to change a couple of times during the journey.

On the eastbound trip it could leave Hammersmith as 'Liverpool Street', then change to 'Circle' when it gets to Edgware Road EB, then change to 'Barking' when it gets back to Edgware Road EB again for the remainder of the run through to Barking. On the westbound trip it could leave Barking as 'Edgware Road', change to 'Circle' at Liverpool Street WB, then change to 'Hammersmith' upon getting round to Liverpool Street WB again for the remainder of the trip to Hammersmith.

If this service runs 8 tph then it'll double up between Edgware Rd and Liverpool St to give 16 tph, leaving room for 8 tph Wimbleware between Praed St - Edgware Rd and 8 tph Metropolitan Line Baker St - Aldgate (i.e. 24 tph total between Baker St and Liverpool St).
But I thought the point was providing more services along the Hammersmith - Paddington stretch. The latest plan as far as I know was 8tph Hammersmith - Barking as now, plus 8 tph Hammersmith - Liverpool Street - victoria - Edgware Road. That'd mean Edgware Road gets 8 Hammersmith and Circle plus 6 Wimbleware terminators, on top of 8 through trains eastbound and 8 westbound. I'm just worried because trains are already so often delayed around Edgware Road without the extra terminating trains.
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Old February 14th, 2009, 11:18 AM   #3445
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But I thought the point was providing more services along the Hammersmith - Paddington stretch. The latest plan as far as I know was 8tph Hammersmith - Barking as now, plus 8 tph Hammersmith - Liverpool Street - victoria - Edgware Road. That'd mean Edgware Road gets 8 Hammersmith and Circle plus 6 Wimbleware terminators, on top of 8 through trains eastbound and 8 westbound. I'm just worried because trains are already so often delayed around Edgware Road without the extra terminating trains.
I think the service pattern you outlined there would be problematic, yes. Maybe the only solution to provide more trains on the Hammersmith branch is to have additional trains terminating at Paddington (i.e. short of Praed St), not ideal, but at least there are onward connections from there.
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How many sections of the Underground were completly abandoned?

I am aware of:
- the Charing Cross branch, closed down after the Jubilee Line was extended further south east. By the way the branch still seems to be functional, is it sometimes used, for some special service or anything like that?
- the King William Street branch on Northern Line. Wiki says the station was demolished in the 1930s and the tunnels cut through to make room for the more recent Jubilee Line.
- Hounslow Town on Piccadilly. Could see on GE the rails were removed, the former station used to be where Hounslow bus garage now stands.
- Aldwych branch on Piccadilly too. Tunnels and station still are in good repair but remain unused except as a filming location.

Any other?
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Old February 14th, 2009, 06:23 PM   #3447
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'Northern Heights' routes through Alexandra Palace.
Ongar branch of the Central line.

Those are the only ones I can think of right now, there are probably more.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 01:03 AM   #3448
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How many sections of the Underground were completly abandoned?

I am aware of:
- the Charing Cross branch, closed down after the Jubilee Line was extended further south east. By the way the branch still seems to be functional, is it sometimes used, for some special service or anything like that?
- the King William Street branch on Northern Line. Wiki says the station was demolished in the 1930s and the tunnels cut through to make room for the more recent Jubilee Line.
- Hounslow Town on Piccadilly. Could see on GE the rails were removed, the former station used to be where Hounslow bus garage now stands.
- Aldwych branch on Piccadilly too. Tunnels and station still are in good repair but remain unused except as a filming location.
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'Northern Heights' routes through Alexandra Palace.
Ongar branch of the Central line.
South Acton-Acton Town "there-and-back-while-the-kettle-boils" shuttle.
Latimer Road to WLL (for services to Olympia)
Brill Tramway
Quainton Road-Verney Junction
ELL between Whitechapel and Shoreditch
ELL between Whitechapel and New Cross/New Cross Gate*
various short bits of tunnels used in realignments (eg Angel, creating cross-platform interchanges on the Victoria)

I don't think the Northern Heights to Ally Pally was ever underground, only planned take over of GNER.

There are quite a few services removed, but NR still run on those tracks - Southend and Windsor District line (short crossovers may have been removed at Ealing Broadway, near Bow and Upminster)
Metropolitan between Amersham and Quainton Road
Metropolitan widened lines
ELL between Whitechapel and New Cross/New Cross Gate**

*until ELR opens
**after ELR opens

I forgot the bit of the Fleet line near New Cross (short one-way experimental tunnel).

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Old February 15th, 2009, 03:11 PM   #3449
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- the Charing Cross branch, closed down after the Jubilee Line was extended further south east. By the way the branch still seems to be functional, is it sometimes used, for some special service or anything like that?
It's used for filming. For instance, in The Bourne Ultimatum a scene in a Jubilee Line platform at Waterloo was actually filmed at Charing Cross. IIRC, the platforms there have also been used for testing video advertisement projection systems and things like that.
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Old February 15th, 2009, 03:19 PM   #3450
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It's used for filming. For instance, in The Bourne Ultimatum a scene in a Jubilee Line platform at Waterloo was actually filmed at Charing Cross. IIRC, the platforms there have also been used for testing video advertisement projection systems and things like that.

And 'Creep' (filmed at Charing Cross and Aldwych)
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Old February 15th, 2009, 03:26 PM   #3451
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I don't think the Northern Heights to Ally Pally was ever underground, only planned take over of GNER.
It never saw LU passenger trains, but the Highgate to Finsbury Park section was used for stock transfers until 1970 and was owned by LU. It was never electrified (or rather the work was never finished), so the transfers to and from the Great Northern & City Line was propelled by Battery locos.
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Old February 16th, 2009, 08:27 PM   #3452
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Thanks for all your answers.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 09:10 PM   #3453
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You saw it here first!

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Old February 19th, 2009, 01:13 AM   #3454
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count me in!

i have the 1st edition already, and I'm looking forward to this
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Old February 20th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #3455
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I'm also looking forward to having it in my bookcase.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 12:44 AM   #3456
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The cover is much nicer than the previous book. I'm also looking forward to buying this.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 11:44 AM   #3457
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The cover is much nicer than the previous book. I'm also looking forward to buying this.

Yeah the font was rubbish and the colour a bit lairy... It was a great photo though, I'll give them that.

It's the only part of the book I don't have control over, so its a bit of a lottery.
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Old February 21st, 2009, 02:21 PM   #3458
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Dear Mr Tubeman.

It was mentioned on the Australian forums that you have a great map of the Bank/Monument interchange station. I spent about a week looking for one, and the only ones I did find left a lot to be desired.

So are the rumours true? Do you have a good one?
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Old February 21st, 2009, 03:41 PM   #3459
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Have you seen this one?

Sorry if I keep stealing answers Tubeman!
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Old February 22nd, 2009, 11:16 AM   #3460
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Have you seen this one?

Sorry if I keep stealing answers Tubeman!
I hadn't seen that before... This is the one that first sprang to my mind:

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