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Old May 13th, 2009, 02:24 PM   #3541
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Why does refurbishment work at Warren Street and Green Park seem to take forever?

At Warren Street I thought they were only trying to replace some lights and the escalator but it's been about a year since the roof's taken off... and it looks all the same still... and now they have a notice which says it's going to take longer than expected?

Green Park - well... the untiled section between Vic Line and Picc Line bugs me a bit. I cannot imagine what tourists would think about the tube :P
To all those whinging about station refurbishments taking forever, come on down to Brixton and you will see that our station is still not finished after what may well be 10 years or more! This is NOT an exaggeration!

PS: Just been on the District Line from Parsons Green to Victoria and like the train refurbs - very nice!
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Old May 14th, 2009, 01:44 AM   #3542
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What about the refurb on the Victoria line platforms at Oxford Circus... They've only done one of them.
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Old May 18th, 2009, 02:10 PM   #3543
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The Bakerloo line does a 90 degree bend between Oxford Circus (north-south) and Baker Street (east-west), but at Regent's Park the platforms are dead straight. What is their orientation, and where exactly are they in relation to the surface? Thanks
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Old May 18th, 2009, 03:57 PM   #3544
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The curve between Oxford Circus and Regent's Park is the bend along Regents Street, I don't think it's 90 degrees, but it certainly feels like it... I believe the curve towards Baker Street occurs after that and is gentler.
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Old May 22nd, 2009, 03:36 AM   #3545
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The curve would start at where Langham Place I think.
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Old May 23rd, 2009, 12:23 PM   #3546
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The Bakerloo line does a 90 degree bend between Oxford Circus (north-south) and Baker Street (east-west), but at Regent's Park the platforms are dead straight. What is their orientation, and where exactly are they in relation to the surface? Thanks
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The Bakerloo Line is fairly easy to trace on a map...

The platforms at Oxford Circus are under the north end of Regent Street so oriented NNW. The line then follows Langham and Portland Places precisely leading to a fairly sharp bend one way then the other by the BBC building, but after the bends the line continues in a NNW direction dead straight to Regents Park where the platforms are on the last stretch of straight line oriented NNW under Regents Park Crescent Gardens. After the platforms the line takes a 90 degree turn from a NNW direction to a WSW direction under Park Square Gardens, then following York Terrace to Baker Street.

Beyond Baker Street it follows Melcombe Street and passes under Dorset Square to reach Marylebone, from where it follows Bell Street to Edgware Road station. By the time the Paddington extension was opened in 1913 the absurd tax which had to be paid to landowners above Tube lines had been scrapped, so beyond Edgware Road the route cannot be easily traced on an A to Z.

Another torturous and unnecessary curve is between Piccadilly Circus and Charing Cross where the line follows Haymarket and then Cockspur Street, another between Waterloo and Lambeth North where the line follows the main line above before having to curve sharply to run under Westminster Bridge Road, and another between Lambeth North and Elephant & Castle where the line curves under St Georges Circus from Westminster Bridge Road to London Road.
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Old May 24th, 2009, 11:11 AM   #3547
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Hey Tubeman, quick question and I apologise if you've answered this before. Have figures ever been put together that estimate how many people are 'underground' at the morning and evening peaks? ie at the busiest time on any given weekday? Are figures available for the whole network and the 'underground' sections?
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Old May 24th, 2009, 02:10 PM   #3548
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Hi Chris... Sorry I've been away in Egypt

The Bakerloo Line is fairly easy to trace on a map...

The platforms at Oxford Circus are under the north end of Regent Street so oriented NNW. The line then follows Langham and Portland Places precisely leading to a fairly sharp bend one way then the other by the BBC building, but after the bends the line continues in a NNW direction dead straight to Regents Park where the platforms are on the last stretch of straight line oriented NNW under Regents Park Crescent Gardens. After the platforms the line takes a 90 degree turn from a NNW direction to a WSW direction under Park Square Gardens, then following York Terrace to Baker Street.

Beyond Baker Street it follows Melcombe Street and passes under Dorset Square to reach Marylebone, from where it follows Bell Street to Edgware Road station. By the time the Paddington extension was opened in 1913 the absurd tax which had to be paid to landowners above Tube lines had been scrapped, so beyond Edgware Road the route cannot be easily traced on an A to Z.

Another torturous and unnecessary curve is between Piccadilly Circus and Charing Cross where the line follows Haymarket and then Cockspur Street, another between Waterloo and Lambeth North where the line follows the main line above before having to curve sharply to run under Westminster Bridge Road, and another between Lambeth North and Elephant & Castle where the line curves under St Georges Circus from Westminster Bridge Road to London Road.
Tubey - in the same vein, where is Blackfriars Station situated in relation to the streets and the main line station? In photographs you can see what I assume is daylight - would you be able to see the Circle and District tracks on Google Earth if the photos were a bit better?
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Old May 24th, 2009, 02:15 PM   #3549
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Hey Tubeman, quick question and I apologise if you've answered this before. Have figures ever been put together that estimate how many people are 'underground' at the morning and evening peaks? ie at the busiest time on any given weekday? Are figures available for the whole network and the 'underground' sections?
I suppose with ticketing data it should be easy enough to get those figures, but I've never seen anything to that effect.

On an average weekday there would be over 3 million journeys, which would probably equate to 1 million return commuter journeys plus over a million not following this pattern (e.g. one way, tourists travelling about Central London, revellers travelling in and returning by cab / nightbus etc). I'd hazard a guess that at its absolute maximum there might be 250,000 - 300,000 on the entire network at any one time with the majority (60-70%?) being underground, but this is a complete guess.
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Tubey - in the same vein, where is Blackfriars Station situated in relation to the streets and the main line station? In photographs you can see what I assume is daylight - would you be able to see the Circle and District tracks on Google Earth if the photos were a bit better?
The District / Circle Lines run eastwards under Victoria Embankment, turn to the north by about 30 degrees, run through the straight platforms under the road junction in a northeasterly direction, then turn south by about 30 degrees to follow Queen Victoria Street.

I'm not entirely sure where that chink of light comes from, but the sound of the mainline above is quite loud through it so I guess its in the immediate vicinity of the bridge over Queen Victoria Street.

Looking at Google Earth I reckon its the dark chasm immediately to the east of the mainline tracks behind the facade of the mainline station building on the south side of Queen Victoria St.

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Old May 26th, 2009, 11:59 AM   #3551
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I suppose with ticketing data it should be easy enough to get those figures, but I've never seen anything to that effect.

On an average weekday there would be over 3 million journeys, which would probably equate to 1 million return commuter journeys plus over a million not following this pattern (e.g. one way, tourists travelling about Central London, revellers travelling in and returning by cab / nightbus etc). I'd hazard a guess that at its absolute maximum there might be 250,000 - 300,000 on the entire network at any one time with the majority (60-70%?) being underground, but this is a complete guess.
Thanks mate. I thought the figures might be higher than that to be honest but you did say 'minimum'.

PS have looked for your book in a few stores (Foyles @ Westfield, Borders Oxford Street) but to no avail. I assume the LT Museum Shop will stock it?
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Old May 26th, 2009, 06:11 PM   #3552
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Thanks mate. I thought the figures might be higher than that to be honest but you did say 'minimum'.

PS have looked for your book in a few stores (Foyles @ Westfield, Borders Oxford Street) but to no avail. I assume the LT Museum Shop will stock it?
It does have it, I've seen it there before.
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Thanks mate. I thought the figures might be higher than that to be honest but you did say 'minimum'.

PS have looked for your book in a few stores (Foyles @ Westfield, Borders Oxford Street) but to no avail. I assume the LT Museum Shop will stock it?
Don't bother 'til July... They're running down the stocks of the First edition because the second comes out then. There probably are a few knocking around the LT museum bookshop but wait for the Second edition; it's way better

http://www.ianallanpublishing.com/pr...at=1003&page=2
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I went to the LT museum bookshop last night but they've sold out
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How many copies have been sold by now, Tubeman? Just wondering what kind of numbers a specialist book like this can get...
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How many copies have been sold by now, Tubeman? Just wondering what kind of numbers a specialist book like this can get...
About 6,000 to date, not bad for a nerd book
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Wait until July then... The second edition is much better!
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Tubeman, do you know how much passenger usage of Shepherd's Bush station has increased since the refurbishment and opening of Westfield shopping centre?

Also, do you know how the new Waterloo & City line ticket hall at Bank will link into the rest of the station?

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Tubeman, do you know how much passenger usage of Shepherd's Bush station has increased since the refurbishment and opening of Westfield shopping centre?

Also, do you know how the new Waterloo & City line ticket hall at Bank will link into the rest of the station?
Sorry I can't answer either!
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Lol don't worry about it, thanks for trying anyway.

Is there anyone else who knows the answers!?!?
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