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Old December 31st, 2005, 01:42 PM   #341
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Tubeman,

What do you think the odds are of the Jubilee Line extension to Thamesmead being built? They must have thought there was a pretty good chance if they built North Greenwich to accomodate it. Is this going to be a bit like the original Jubilee Line extension - when the DLR gets overloaded, they'll build it? Or has it just been abandoned?

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Old December 31st, 2005, 01:46 PM   #342
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"It is the greatest publication ever known to man, Shakespeare should hang his head in shame. People who do not buy this will have vacant and sad lives, and may as well kill themselves"

No too over the top?







Perhaps wait until it is published before reviewing it... It would look a bit sus otherwise!
Any example pages you can display?
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Old December 31st, 2005, 02:22 PM   #343
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Ah, don't worry, just seen them on the UK Transport forum...
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Old December 31st, 2005, 02:30 PM   #344
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Tubeman,

What do you think the odds are of the Jubilee Line extension to Thamesmead being built? They must have thought there was a pretty good chance if they built North Greenwich to accomodate it. Is this going to be a bit like the original Jubilee Line extension - when the DLR gets overloaded, they'll build it? Or has it just been abandoned?

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I'd say high-ish, but not anytime soon

I think you're totally correct about waiting for the DLR to the Royal Docks to get overloaded first, although it is interesting to note that the DLR to Woolwich turns 180 degrees to face West, so it can't be extended into Thamesmead unless Woolwich Arsenal is left as a tiny stump (and yet another DLR destination!).

Personally I think they should just get on and build it while there's still land in the Royal Docks to build upon; a JLE from North Greenwich could surface at Thames Wharf and then follow the route of the old Silvertown tramway all the way to North Woolwich, avoiding a lot of expensive tunnelling. In 5 more years I don't think there'll be any land left.

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Old December 31st, 2005, 04:13 PM   #345
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Looks good. Any SSC discounted rates?

For the Jubilee line, where would it have stops past North Greenwich? Would this leave Stratford as its own branch then?

I think on the central London tube map they have on the carriages, they should show any lines that run in that area, including Thameslink, etc. It just makes planning your journey a lot better (for tourists and the like).
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Old December 31st, 2005, 04:53 PM   #346
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Just thought of another question (prompted by one of the maps from your book!).

Do you have any more information on plans once mooted for the Bakerloo line to take over the Ealing Broadway spur of the Central line?
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Old December 31st, 2005, 04:54 PM   #347
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I think you're totally correct about waiting for the DLR to the Royal Docks to get overloaded first, although it is interesting to note that the DLR to Woolwich turns 180 degrees to face West, so it can't be extended into Thamesmead unless Woolwich Arsenal is left as a tiny stump (and yet another DLR destination!).
Does your book includes the DLR Woolwich extension? If not, I'm not sure I want it
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Old December 31st, 2005, 05:01 PM   #348
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Another one - has anybody measured the impact on North London Line passenger numbers south of Canning Town since the opening of the DLR City Airport extension?
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Old December 31st, 2005, 10:56 PM   #349
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Any other plans for line swaps (like the aforementioned Central line-Bakerloo swap, or the creation of the Jubilee line out of the Bakerloo, etc.)?

^It might be too early, since it's been open three weeks, and it's holiday season, so it might be hard to see the impact.
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Old December 31st, 2005, 11:11 PM   #350
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i have a question, do the wheels on the bus really go round and round all day long?
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Old January 1st, 2006, 05:07 AM   #351
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Why in God's name is DLR not considered full metro?

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Old January 1st, 2006, 09:47 PM   #352
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i have a question, do the wheels on the bus really go round and round all day long?
Of course - they don't go square!
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Old January 1st, 2006, 10:25 PM   #353
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Just thought of another question (prompted by one of the maps from your book!).

Do you have any more information on plans once mooted for the Bakerloo line to take over the Ealing Broadway spur of the Central line?
It was proposed in a transport review in the late 80's (Under Tory Transport Minister Paul Channon I think). All it entailed was a new tunnel from Queens Park to North Acton with no intermediate stops, then taking over the Central Line to Ealing. I think the gyst of it was that because of signalling and sharing with BR the Bakerloo couldn't run many trains beyond Queens Park, so this way it could run tube-frequency services beyond there and take some of the strain off the Central Line.
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Old January 1st, 2006, 10:29 PM   #354
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Does your book includes the DLR Woolwich extension? If not, I'm not sure I want it
Of course! And the East London Line Extension Phase 1
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Old January 1st, 2006, 10:35 PM   #355
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Another one - has anybody measured the impact on North London Line passenger numbers south of Canning Town since the opening of the DLR City Airport extension?
The North London Line beyond Stratford's days are numbered; Canning Town to Stratford is destined to be converted to DLR, and the rest abandoned (although most of it should be resurrected by Crossrail 1).

I think it only gets a 30 min service beyond Stratford; I presume that the DLR branches in the Royal Docks will have destroyed what little custom the line had.
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Old January 1st, 2006, 10:39 PM   #356
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Why in God's name is DLR not considered full metro?

I don't think it isn't, its just that its not mentioned in the same breath as the Underground as its not operated by the same company.
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 04:50 PM   #357
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Went past the London Underground museum last week, and noticed it closed for renovation. It was pretty good previously, so I am wondering what the plans are. Does anyone know what's in store? Are they expanding the site?
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 08:54 PM   #358
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Can you give us a reminder when your book is out? (cos if I pre-order now there is no guarantee I'll have the money in my Bank Account when it's dispatched :P) I loved the Subterranean Railway by Chris Wolmar - will this be on par or surpass?

Another Q about LU. What's it got (asides from the stations) in its property portfolio (if anything)?
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 09:32 PM   #359
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Tubeman, I've got another question! How many stations a year are there lifts added to? Is there a quota or is it just as the funds come in line? Is there a priority for higher traffic stations?
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Old January 2nd, 2006, 11:00 PM   #360
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Another question - what is the chances of the Varsity Line (ie the line between Oxford - Cambridge via Bletchley + Bedford) being re-opened. In some places the track still runs services (eg Oxford - Bicester Town; Bletchley - Bedford), while in others the tracks are either overgrown or have been lifted. What with the Oxford-Cambridge Arc in full growth mode (encompassing the fastest growing areas of the UK), how soon could we see it re-opened?
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