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Old July 2nd, 2009, 02:31 PM   #3601
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Just had it confirmed:

The Second edition of my book is out tomorrow, order it on Amazon now (although I'd be happier if you bought it in a shop because I'd get 50p more!)
Yes, but it's £5.95 cheaper on Amazon. Can I just send you 50p instead?
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 03:33 PM   #3602
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Hi Tubeman

Here's question for you.
At London Bridge mainline station the other day I heard a tanoy announcement for asking for a "conductor or a 1gold21 to contact a member of station staff". I can't quite remember the last bit properly but it was definately something to do with "gold". Any ideas what that meant?

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Ps. Your book is on my Amazon wish list.
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Old July 2nd, 2009, 09:41 PM   #3603
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Hi Tubeman

Here's question for you.
At London Bridge mainline station the other day I heard a tanoy announcement for asking for a "conductor or a 1gold21 to contact a member of station staff". I can't quite remember the last bit properly but it was definately something to do with "gold". Any ideas what that meant?

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Ps. Your book is on my Amazon wish list.
The only 'gold' I can think of in our terminology is a 'Gold Control', and if there was one of those you'd know about it... The Gold Control is the top level of our formal incident management when there's a major incident, but they would always be off-site coordinating things.

It might be Revenue Protection? The Duty managers have gold badges / tie trims.
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 12:44 AM   #3604
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Where can we buy your book in London ? The museum of transportation in Covent Garden by exemple ?
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 08:49 PM   #3605
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Where can we buy your book in London ? The museum of transportation in Covent Garden by exemple ?
Yes, and most big bookstores... In fact I just popped into the LT Museum bookstore this afternoon because I hadn't actually seen the finished work yet, and there was a big display of them at the top of the stairs, the first thing you see when you walk into the bookstore
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Old July 3rd, 2009, 10:15 PM   #3606
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Yes, and most big bookstores... In fact I just popped into the LT Museum bookstore this afternoon because I hadn't actually seen the finished work yet, and there was a big display of them at the top of the stairs, the first thing you see when you walk into the bookstore
Hey Tubeman - the book looks great. I'm also happy to see that it is available for order on Amazon.ca for those of us living in Canada (though it is out of stock, still can be ordered). Now, I need to find another item for $7 so I can get free shipping.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 12:21 AM   #3607
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I ordered it off Amazon in the end, sorry about the 50 p Joe.
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Old July 4th, 2009, 08:55 AM   #3608
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Hey Tubeman - the book looks great. I'm also happy to see that it is available for order on Amazon.ca for those of us living in Canada (though it is out of stock, still can be ordered). Now, I need to find another item for $7 so I can get free shipping.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 06:36 PM   #3609
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I would also love to know that is going on with the engineering works.

Are they going to get the work done and the lines up to scratch so that closures are extremely rare? Is it due to the underfunding from the cons? Will one day closures be a thing of the past?
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Old July 8th, 2009, 09:31 PM   #3610
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I would also love to know that is going on with the engineering works.

Are they going to get the work done and the lines up to scratch so that closures are extremely rare? Is it due to the underfunding from the cons? Will one day closures be a thing of the past?
I took the liberty of copying your post to 'Ask the Tubeman'... as you are asking the Tubeman a question

Yes this current glut of works should be as bad it gets... Some are due to ATO upgrades (Victoria, Jubilee, Northern) which after initial disruption will give far more frequent & reliable service for decades. Others are simple track replacement: ripping up old-fashioned wooden sleepers and 'bullhead' rail and laying concrete sleepers with 'flat bottomed' rail which is continuously welded for a much smoother ride. The more modern track is much more durable, so after the initial hit will require much less maintenance and will give a smooth ride for longer.
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Old July 8th, 2009, 09:45 PM   #3611
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I took the liberty of copying your post to 'Ask the Tubeman'... as you are asking the Tubeman a question

Yes this current glut of works should be as bad it gets... Some are due to ATO upgrades (Victoria, Jubilee, Northern) which after initial disruption will give far more frequent & reliable service for decades. Others are simple track replacement: ripping up old-fashioned wooden sleepers and 'bullhead' rail and laying concrete sleepers with 'flat bottomed' rail which is continuously welded for a much smoother ride. The more modern track is much more durable, so after the initial hit will require much less maintenance and will give a smooth ride for longer.
Do you know anymore about when Vic, Jub and Northern will be finished?

These are lines I depend on. Every weekend at least 2 of them are affected by works. Complete closures of vast sections of line in many cases.

The Jubilee in particular is an arse. Seems the 'new' part of it gets worked on almost every week.

Also can we assume a ride on the Northern Line might actually be as speedy as the Central/Victoria line in future?
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Old July 9th, 2009, 04:21 PM   #3612
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Northern line seems pretty fine to me these days, fast services, few delays and almost no engineering works
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Old July 9th, 2009, 06:19 PM   #3613
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Do you know anymore about when Vic, Jub and Northern will be finished?

These are lines I depend on. Every weekend at least 2 of them are affected by works. Complete closures of vast sections of line in many cases.

The Jubilee in particular is an arse. Seems the 'new' part of it gets worked on almost every week.

Also can we assume a ride on the Northern Line might actually be as speedy as the Central/Victoria line in future?
I'm not entirely sure when the respective upgrades will be officially 'finished' as in each case the process is gradual as different equipment is phased in and switched on.

When the Northern Line is fully ATO the power supply will be souped up and the current limitations on the motoring / braking capacity removed, so there'll be much faster acceleration and harder braking, like on the Central Line.
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Old July 9th, 2009, 06:36 PM   #3614
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By the way, Joe, your book arrived! I'm at work so haven't really had time to go through it yet, but I definitely will later. I did see it had a whole big page on yourself though!
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Not exactly UK, but is your book for sale in Paris, and where.
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Old July 9th, 2009, 09:49 PM   #3616
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Not exactly UK, but is your book for sale in Paris, and where.
I think Play.com will ship to France?

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Old July 9th, 2009, 09:50 PM   #3617
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By the way, Joe, your book arrived! I'm at work so haven't really had time to go through it yet, but I definitely will later. I did see it had a whole big page on yourself though!
Yeah the ****ers put a photo of me when I was fat in it though!!!

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Old July 10th, 2009, 05:28 AM   #3618
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Technically the Victoria and Central Lines already are driverless, the 'driver' just opens and closes the doors before pushing 'go'. I think unstaffed trains on underground lines are unthinkable, and it is logical, as long as Tube trains are 6-8 unarticulated cars, for the member of staff to be in the front cab in case the ATO fails and they have to switch to manual mode.

Some of the stations on Tube Lines are very far apart (e.g. Bethnal Green > Liverpool St or Seven Sisters > Finsbury Park) and in the absence of any walkway I really don't think passengers would be happy boarding trains knowing they're on their own if anything goes wrong.

(I think) Ligne 14 in Paris has completey unstaffed trains, but they aren't that hot on staff there in the first place, and there are walkways alongside the trains in case of emergency.

The DLR 'Train Captain' walking around checking tickets, working the doors, and occasionally driving when the ATO fails, wouldn't work on the Tube as our trains are much longer, not articulated, and I certainly wouldn't fancy wandering around a late night train checking tickets without an armed guard. Probably the safest place for the single member of staff to be on an Automatic Tube train is locked away in the front cab... although personally I think having the 'glorified guard' in the back cab makes more sense, as they can watch the train safely out of the platform.
The Bay Area Rapid Transit originally wanted to have unstaffed trains, but decided against it. Instead, trains have operators, but they just make announcements and make sure everything is OK. You will also see them sticking their head out the window at stations. This way, if the computer system starts to close the doors and people are still getting on, he can hold them open from his control panel. However, manual control is possible and sometimes used in certain conditions.
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Old July 10th, 2009, 06:18 PM   #3619
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When the Northern Line is fully ATO the power supply will be souped up and the current limitations on the motoring / braking capacity removed, so there'll be much faster acceleration and harder braking, like on the Central Line.
That's good to know, the central line really does accelerate hard, at first I thought I was just imagining it but I have heard a few people say that now.

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Old July 11th, 2009, 12:12 PM   #3620
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That's good to know, the central line really does accelerate hard, at first I thought I was just imagining it but I have heard a few people say that now.

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The only caveat I'll add is that the Central Line stations have quite a marked 'hump' profile (downhill gradient leaving the platform, uphill gradient approaching the platform) to assist acceleration / deceleration... This isn't the case on much of the Northern Line so the braking / acceleration probably won't be as fierce as it is on the Central Line.

There's also quite a lot of twists & turns giving permanent speed restrictions on the Northern Line's older sections (the original City & South London Railway Clapham to Euston via Bank) whereas the Central Line's original section is pretty much a straight line under Oxford Street so there are far fewer speed restrictions allowing the trains to really 'go for it' between stations.

Where the Northern Line will really benefit from the souped up motoring is the long uphill slogs on both the Edgware and Barnet branches between Camden Town and Golders Green / East Finchley. Flat out currently only 30mph / 50kmh is achieved even on the really long runs like Archway to Highgate because it's a constant 1/30 uphill gradient. Hopefully much faster speeds will be achieved under ATO, saving quite a lot of time.
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