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Old August 2nd, 2009, 03:25 PM   #3681
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And:

Shepherd's Bush not Shephard's Bush
Liverpool Street not Liverpool
Gants Hill not Grants Hill
You've put Buckhurst Hill either side of Loughton
Whitechapel is missing
Actually, so are most of the Bakerloo and Metropolitan stations!
And Wimbledon
And Heathrow
Gospel Oak not Gospel Oak
Tufnell Park not Tuffnell Park
Golders Green not Golden Green
Caledonian Road (& Barnsbury) not Caladonian Road (& Barnsbury)
Holloway Road not Hollway Road
King's Cross St. Pancras not King;'s Cross St, Pancras
Piccadilly Circus not Piccadily Circus
Cannonbury not Cannonnbury
Dagenham Dock not Dagenham's Dock
Blackwall not Blackwell
Gallions Reach not Gallons Reach
You have two Peckhams - one should be Peckham Rye

At least LUL aren't going to be accusing you of copyright infringement!
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 03:30 PM   #3682
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lol its a working in progress i know, i was focusing on the south-east really ...
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 05:07 PM   #3683
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Latest Tube Map by me ...



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Old August 2nd, 2009, 06:18 PM   #3684
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Nice! Why not split the Northern line completely at Camden Town and show them as separate lines?
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 07:38 PM   #3685
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good point, wasnt sure how that would work in reality
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 08:55 PM   #3686
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Nice! If you want to add more... Metropolitan line to Watford Junction via the Croxley Rail Link, Crossrail / Chelney (pretty obvious I suppose), and I would personally like to see the Jubilee take over the London Overground to Dalston Junction, and then two out of the four tracks up to Camden Road, where it would terminate.

You could have a look at changing the SSLs around if you want... also, right now, the District at Paddington doesn't seem to have a stop there.

I'm going to upload a very schematic and simple map I've been working on in a bit.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 09:02 PM   #3687
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This might be a stupid idea, but why not extend the District Line from Wimbledon to South Wimbledon? Those 2 stations are really close each other, and that extension would create a new interchange station at South Wimbledon.

And btw, what program do you use to create these maps?
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 09:09 PM   #3688
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This might be a stupid idea, but why not extend the District Line from Wimbledon to South Wimbledon? Those 2 stations are really close each other, and that extension would create a new interchange station at South Wimbledon.
The District line is above ground at Wimbledon - to extend it to South Wimbledon you'd have to either demolish lots of houses and divert roads, or tunnel underground at great cost.

More to the point, who would actually interchange there?! People living near Morden can catch the train to Wimbledon from South Merton or Morden South, and people living near South Wimbledon can catch the tram from Merton Park or Morden Road. You might make a handful of people's commute a bit easier for several millions of pounds.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 09:21 PM   #3689
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The District line is above ground at Wimbledon - to extend it to South Wimbledon you'd have to either demolish lots of houses and divert roads, or tunnel underground at great cost.

More to the point, who would actually interchange there?! People living near Morden can catch the train to Wimbledon from South Merton or Morden South, and people living near South Wimbledon can catch the tram from Merton Park or Morden Road. You might make a handful of people's commute a bit easier for several millions of pounds.
Oh well, I guess you're right. :P

I have another idea though (it's more likely even more useless than the previous one). A Northern Line extension from Edgware to Stanmore! People living around Stanmore area could catch a train to Morden, Bank, and other destinations that they can't go now without changing!
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 09:36 PM   #3690
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Not the greatest map by any means, but have a look at some of my proposals...
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Link to big version Any comments very welcome.
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Old August 2nd, 2009, 10:01 PM   #3691
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This might be a stupid idea, but why not extend the District Line from Wimbledon to South Wimbledon? Those 2 stations are really close each other, and that extension would create a new interchange station at South Wimbledon.

And btw, what program do you use to create these maps?
Adobe Illustrator CS3/4
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 01:28 AM   #3692
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Jubilee line I would extend south-east then using existing track (Angerstein Wharf on the map) to Westcombe Park, Blackheath tunnel, then turn off before Blackheath to Kidbrooke, then the old East Cross motorway alignment (A20 to A2) to Grove Park, then take over the Bromley North branch. Cheap extension, direct enough too, relieves Lewisham.

The Jubilee Stratford branch can become part of the Orbital line (LO network), heading south of North Greenwich via Greenwich to Elverson Road (DLR) where the old Greenwich Park branch alignment will take it to St. John's and existing tracks to Peckham rye.

In fact if you could put my Orbital proposal on the map that would be fantastic! It goes like this:

North London Line Hackney Wick to York Way (using 2 of 4 tracks). New York Way station.

Tunnel York Way via Camden Town to Primrose Hill then WCML suburban tracks to Queens Park then tunnel to North London Line east of Willesden Junction.

2 new tracks through Willesden Junction and then West London Line to Stamford Bridge (using 2 of 4 tracks). New Latimer Road and Stamford Bridge stations.

Tunnel to under Clapham Junction (station) then round northward to south side of LSW tracks and round to Wandsworth Road.

South London Line to Peckham Rye (flying junction west of station). New stations at Brixton and Loughborough Junction.

Then Nunhead (via new tracks), Brockley (new station) St. John's (new station).

Then via Elverson Road, Greenwich, North Greenwich, Jubilee line to SXtratford and under Stratford City to Hackney Wick (new station next to International station).

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Old August 3rd, 2009, 02:17 AM   #3693
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Nice looking map. If the Met goes to Watford Junction, I don't see the point in keeping Watford Station open. Also, there is an operational cord that would allow running of trains from Amersham to Watford Junction. Not sure if there's a market for this, but maybe peak trips?

I don't like the Jubilee extension - the junction is complicated - flat junctions would be very limiting on capacity, and flying junction would create another scheduling nightmare like Camden Town.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 09:33 AM   #3694
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Nice looking map. If the Met goes to Watford Junction, I don't see the point in keeping Watford Station open. Also, there is an operational cord that would allow running of trains from Amersham to Watford Junction. Not sure if there's a market for this, but maybe peak trips?

I don't like the Jubilee extension - the junction is complicated - flat junctions would be very limiting on capacity, and flying junction would create another scheduling nightmare like Camden Town.
It would mean the closure of Watford, replaced by a station called Ascot Road. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croxley...posed_services
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 11:38 AM   #3695
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i was wondering... are they any possibilities to let run the subway 24/24 hours as New York one's do? ...
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 12:07 PM   #3696
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i was wondering... are they any possibilities to let run the subway 24/24 hours as New York one's do? ...
Not continuously (i.e. 7 days a week); too much maintenance work needs to take place which can only be carried out at night. It is feasible to run from Friday Morning to Sunday night continuously, but the trade-off is the Tube would operate for less time every other day of the week to maintain the same number of 'engineering hours', so it would cause disadvantage to people (usually low-paid key workers) who currently use the Tube at the extremes of the traffic day whilst benefitting drunken revellers at weekends.

Personally, I prefer the current set-up.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 08:21 PM   #3697
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They should join the Waterloo & City Line to the North City line at Moorgate
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 10:33 PM   #3698
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The alignment's too difficult but there are a couple of other possible solutions. The line comes into Bank from the west and is blocked to the north by the Central line. The extension needs to diverge to the right of the existing tunnels west of the current W&C station i.e. head due east south of Bank into a new station where the tunnels will be on the same level as the Central line and above the Northern line and DLR. The current W&C terminus is too short to take long trains and if you were to extend it it would go through Bank ticket hall and the Central line! Heading off before the existing W&C station also allows you to keep the tunnels level instead of rising. Once past Bank you could either go east or head north but you would need to be south/east of the Central line for some way, until the tunnels could go deeper under that line (if you were heading north). That means heading for Fenchurch Street or Liverpool Street.

The Northern City has some problems too - head south and it hits Bank. It really needs to head south-east. You could either take it to Fenchurch Street or head south over the river to London Bridge. Either way you could have a station just east of Bank.

You could link the W&C to Liverpool Street, surfacing around Shoreditch, and link the NCL to LTS at Fenchurch Street or you could send NCL to London Bridge and W&C to Fenchurch Street. The latter option doubles up a bit on Thameslink and District (maybe the DLR to Victoria and south-west too) so I'd go for the first option. I think LSW and GE are better matched too.

You could extend the southern end of the W&C by diverging to the left of the existing tunnels at Stamford Street before the line rises and curves in a 180 into Waterloo Station. You miss out all those curves, gradients, and another short station. You would continue the new tunnels under Waterloo ML into a new station with long platforms and head south under the SWML probably to surface south of Vauxhall around Nine Elms.

Resize the existing W&C tunnels for ML loading gauge and put a station in at Blackfriars. A cheap Crossrail linking 2 busy commuter routes. NCL/LTS is well matched IMO too.
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Old August 3rd, 2009, 11:48 PM   #3699
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They should join the Waterloo & City Line to the North City line at Moorgate
Pointless... It would cost so much to realise that you'd be better off planning a new line from scratch. The W&C would need to be totally overhauled: widened tunnels, extended platforms, ideally straightened out kinks.

It serves its purpose well, but hasn't got the capacity to be extended.
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Old August 6th, 2009, 09:21 PM   #3700
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Tubeman, can I ask howcome LU choose the current style for the new victoria line stock as opposed to the type of stock used for the London Oveground, where it is all walk through?

Not that I'd particularly want that style but I would have thought that they would've tried to get as much as extra capacity as possible out of what they currently have (space).


Also how come some (maybe all?) tube trains are like two cars stuck together, as they have a drivers unit in the middle?
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