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Old October 9th, 2010, 10:32 PM   #4261
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It is a great map. My only criticism is that it is not clear where the Crossrail interchange stations are. The (c) symbol could do with being larger and connected to the corresponding station circle as with the other interchanges.
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Old October 9th, 2010, 11:16 PM   #4262
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It is a great map. My only criticism is that it is not clear where the Crossrail interchange stations are. The (c) symbol could do with being larger and connected to the corresponding station circle as with the other interchanges.
see the new map ... http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/346/tuben.jpg
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Old October 10th, 2010, 04:59 AM   #4263
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Nice map!

Watford High Street should probably be marked as an interchange.

How do I tell wich services that stop at a specific station? Or is only "stop at every station" services shown?
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Old October 10th, 2010, 03:09 PM   #4264
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Nice map!

Watford High Street should probably be marked as an interchange.

How do I tell wich services that stop at a specific station? Or is only "stop at every station" services shown?
That would make the map over-complicated as there are many national rail services that are fast through certain stations ...

The map is as the London Connections Map is done ... [ minus the tramlink at the moment ]
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Old October 10th, 2010, 06:06 PM   #4265
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That would make the map over-complicated as there are many national rail services that are fast through certain stations ...

The map is as the London Connections Map is done ... [ minus the tramlink at the moment ]
In Berlin they handle it in this way:
http://www.bvg.de/index.php/de/binar...20909/file/1-1

I think that the London Connctions map looks like it does because the TOC's want their brand to be as visible as possible. Within the Greater London area you only need to know that TfL tickets are valid, what zone a station is in and if you need an Oyster Extension permit or not. The knowledge of what TOC that runs a line/area is mostly only relevant to those who has a special insterest in public transit.
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Old October 10th, 2010, 08:25 PM   #4266
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I think that the London Connctions map looks like it does because the TOC's want their brand to be as visible as possible
Chris was talking about the TfL London Connections map, which has no TOC branding, other than Overground, Tube lines, DLR and Tramlink (ie TfL stuff). The ATOC map is a little bit clearer (though not a great deal - it still not shown that well - the services are complex, but it doesn't help much) for where services actually go, but still doesn't show fast services.

Also, in South London (especially), service patterns are all over the shop, with some stops getting some faster trains, but not others on the same route and so on.
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Old October 15th, 2010, 11:02 AM   #4267
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Are there tunnel contruction accident list and details? Thanks
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Old October 18th, 2010, 11:45 PM   #4268
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Tubeman still here?
I wonder how shallow TBM tunnels can be below the surface: How deep are the least deep tube tunnels in London?
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Old October 21st, 2010, 04:40 PM   #4269
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I wonder how shallow TBM tunnels can be below the surface: How deep are the least deep tube tunnels in London?
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The shallowest bored tunnels are only a couple of metres below ground level, for example the Bakerloo tunnels below the Thames (leading to them being extensively strengthened in the 1990's), and sections of the Central Line below Eastern Avenue between Wanstead and Gants Hill. Don't have the precise depths, but I know they are very shallow.
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Old October 21st, 2010, 04:45 PM   #4270
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Sorry, not to my knowledge... There were a couple of serious accidents during construction of some early subsurface tunnels (e.g. the Metropolitan Railway breach by the Fleet River near Farringdon, and the future East London Line Thames Tunnel cave-in), but I'm not aware of any significant fatal accidents during deep-level tunnel construction. The Northern Line City Branch tunnel caved in when it was being widened in the 1920's leading to 2 years of closure, but I'm not aware of any loss of life.
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Old October 23rd, 2010, 03:21 PM   #4271
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Know anything about this?

http://www.transportbriefing.co.uk/news/story?id=7190
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Old October 24th, 2010, 12:05 PM   #4272
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Sounds like rubbish to me!

Without the full article, I can't pass any further judgement... But the current wave of investment is all about heavy rail.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 03:16 PM   #4273
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I found another snippet on it elsewhere, apparantly as part of the 4 year Tfl funding settlement Tfl has to work towards lightening the rolling stock thus reducing energy consumption and making sugnificant savings on line electrification equipment maintenance and construction costs.

Not quite light rail conversion, but lightening of the rail, lol.
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Old October 24th, 2010, 08:29 PM   #4274
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I see... Well that's common sense anyway

We've moved in the wrong direction anyway... The refurbs have all made the stock heavier, I think the D Stock refurb added an extra ton per car!

If they're that worried about reducing energy consumption, why not reduce off-peak service frequencies?! Outer suburbs (e.g. District Line Barking to Upminster) have very light patronage off-peak yet maintain 4 minute headways. Personally, I'd turn half of the trains back at Barking like on Sundays. The same would apply to the further reaches of most lines... far too many empty trains.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 06:50 PM   #4275
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I was at a christmas market yesterday, and was looking through some books they had for sale.
I found the London Underground handbook, which had an interesting picture in it: a model of the green 1986 stock prototype, in corporate colours.
Sadly, i could'nt afford the book. Do you have any picture of that model in your possetion, or do you know what to search for on google?
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Old November 28th, 2010, 08:41 PM   #4276
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Here's some links:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/2388322782/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/londonstuff/4428960065/

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...-trainC-01.jpg

I just searched for '1992 Stock prototype', as that's what this was. There's a car preserved in the LT Museum depot at Acton.
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Old November 28th, 2010, 08:48 PM   #4277
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As much as i appreciate that, the model was painted in the red, white and blue corporate livery. Ringing any bells?
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Old November 29th, 2010, 09:51 AM   #4278
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As much as i appreciate that, the model was painted in the red, white and blue corporate livery. Ringing any bells?
It appears 3 different prototypes were produced - each painted in different colours:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...und_1986_Stock









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Old November 29th, 2010, 06:41 PM   #4279
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As much as i appreciate that, the model was painted in the red, white and blue corporate livery. Ringing any bells?
Aha sorry your reference to 'green' threw me!

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Old November 29th, 2010, 07:04 PM   #4280
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Ok, let me put it this way: I saw a picture of a model of the third(green) prototype painted in the current red, white and blue corporate livery.

Does that ring any bells?
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