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Old January 19th, 2006, 07:42 PM   #421
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On some earlier post en couple of links to geographicalmaps was posted (well it were bus maps but the subwaylines were drawn into it.) Does anybody know a site whith more of these maps? I'm looking for such maps of the Paris metro.

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It was on another thread, just have a look for it. I think most of them had been created by a forumer (Metropolitan?)
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Old January 19th, 2006, 09:49 PM   #422
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Is this the thread you were talking about?
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showth...5&page=1&pp=25
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Old February 15th, 2006, 11:10 AM   #423
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Bump

Tubeman, I have another map-related question. Why on the District line do they not show the entire line with all the branches? Would it be so hard for the Wimbledon-Edgware branch to show the other parts (and H&C, Met)? And the other branches to show the Edgware branch past High St. Kensington? If you're going to call it one line, you should treat it like one.

On another note, I've still not received my (your) book, though it was meant to be dispatched 5-7 Feb. Amazon.co.uk still has that date, but it says it hasn't been sent out yet. Is there a problem with the distribution? Has anyone received their book?
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Old February 15th, 2006, 04:31 PM   #424
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I haven't had mine yet - I ordered a CD as well to qualify for free delivery, and they sent that separately...
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Old February 15th, 2006, 11:11 PM   #425
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The book's still at the binders, should be with you within a couple of weeks.

Ian Allan only ever stated a February publishing date (which is still correct), but Amazon decided this meant February 1st, hence the confusion.

Re: depiction of the District Line on in-car maps...

The maps pertain to the stocks. D Stocks cannot go to Edgware Road (too long), therefore the branch is missed off the D Stock in-car line maps and 'Edgware Road' is shown as an interchange option at Earl's Court on a District green background. High Street Kensington to Olympia is shown as a separate entity as for most of the working day it is (although a lot of early morning and late night eastbound trains from the western branches terminate at High Street kensington to allow reversal back to depots).

Likewise the C Stocks work the Wimbleware, Hammersmith & City and Circle Lines only, so these are the only routes shown on the C Stock map. As a little anomaly, the Olympia Branch is shown on the C Stock map even though they don't go there anymore, as up until about 3 years ago the early morning Olympia service originated at Edgware Road.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 03:31 PM   #426
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The map situation is indeed also a good reason to rebrand Wimbledon-Edgware into the West London Line (or Wimbleware, that's a name I could fancy).
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Old February 16th, 2006, 08:35 PM   #427
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It would logically be a Hammermsith & City Line branch, then D Stock = District and C Stock = Hammermsith & City / Circle.

The only thing preventing this is that Hammersmith & City Line drivers would need licences for Network Rail operating procedures for the Wimbldeon Branch (currently District and Bakerloo Line Drivers are the only ones receiving this training), but this is just 1 day every 2 years now.

With a slight remodelling just west of Earl's Court the two lines could pass through the station without any conflict and cross-platform interchange at Earl's Court.
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Old February 16th, 2006, 10:14 PM   #428
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What line do you think is the most reliable? Which one's the worst?
I guess the ones that share tracks with other lines and national rail are pretty bad.
I'm looking at living in London and a good tube or commuter train service is pretty important.

I've heard good things about Wimbledon, with both frequent trains and tubes. What do you reckon?
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Old February 16th, 2006, 10:46 PM   #429
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What line do you think is the most reliable? Which one's the worst?
I guess the ones that share tracks with other lines and national rail are pretty bad.
I'm looking at living in London and a good tube or commuter train service is pretty important.

I've heard good things about Wimbledon, with both frequent trains and tubes. What do you reckon?
In my opinion:

Best v

Waterloo & City and East London (a bit unfair 'cos they're so short)

Victoria - Automatic, simple, reliable, very quick but very busy
Central - Automatic, has overcome teething problems, very quick
Jubilee - Mostly very modern, overcoming teething problems, soon to be automatic
Piccadilly - Very frequent through central area, slow through Acton / Arnos Grove
Bakerloo - Simple and pretty reliable but trains and track a bit old

Metropolitan - Shares tracks with other Subsurface lines, flat junctions (=delays)
District - As above
Hammermsith & City - As above

Circle - Trains often cancelled so big gaps, shares with other lines

Northern Horrific! Near-daily signalling problems

Worst ^

I would personally avoid living in an area solely dependant on the Northern Line. It was terrible up until 2000, but then new trains were introduced and it improved markedly. All of a sudden after the Camden Town derailment (c.3 years ago) which ripped out loads of siganlling control cables its had untold signalling problems, and its as bad as it was pre-2000.

All other lines have their moments, but the Northern is the only one I would actually actively avoid. Due to staff shortages at Edgware Road Depot Circle Lines are often cancelled in favour of Hammersmith & City Lines, so a bit of advice is that if there's no Circle Line on the Dot Matrix board, don't wait for one... you never know how long you'll be waiting!



Wimbledon is a very good choice; a great area with lots of amenities. Excellent services into London:

District City Train every 8 minutes (approx 25 to Victoria, 35 to Embankment, 45 to Monument)

District Edgware Road every 8 minutes (approx 20 to High St ken, 30 to Edgware Rd)

Main Line services to Waterloo every 5 or so minutes, some as quick as 10 minutes (depends how many stops)

Also Thameslink trains every 15 minutes to Blackfriars / City / King's Cross, maybe 30 mins to King's X but don't quote me

Plus Trams to Croydon, if you're desperate



What sort of area do you want? Quiet suburban / buzzing suburban / gentrified Inner City / 'edgy' but trendy Inner City?
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Old February 16th, 2006, 11:24 PM   #430
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Wimbledon is a very good choice; a great area with lots of amenities. Excellent services into London:

District City Train every 8 minutes (approx 25 to Victoria, 35 to Embankment, 45 to Monument)

District Edgware Road every 8 minutes (approx 20 to High St ken, 30 to Edgware Rd)

Main Line services to Waterloo every 5 or so minutes, some as quick as 10 minutes (depends how many stops)

Also Thameslink trains every 15 minutes to Blackfriars / City / King's Cross, maybe 30 mins to King's X but don't quote me

Plus Trams to Croydon, if you're desperate

What sort of area do you want? Quiet suburban / buzzing suburban / gentrified Inner City / 'edgy' but trendy Inner City?
Trams to Croydon! That's what I've been waiting for my whole life!
I'm going to be studying at UC for a year, and should be getting accommodation around there, which is the Bloomsbury / Camden town area. I want to stay in the city after that year, and where I'll be living will definitely depend on where I'll work as well.

I've heard about Wimbledon being a very nice area with good connections, which is why I asked.

I wouldn't want to go too suburban, and hope I can keep the commute under 20-30 minutes. 'buzzing' also sounds good.
The East End also seems like a nice, up and coming area, and I've heard good stories about the DLR.
I still have some time really, I just wanted to hear the opinion of an expert. Thanks! And your book sounds very interesting, I think I'll go and buy it.

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Old February 17th, 2006, 12:12 AM   #431
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Tubey, are you sorry I bumped your thread?

I find the Wimbledon branch the most troubled, is that wrong? Why does it sometimes show a train as coming in _ minutes when in fact I can see that it's going to come much sooner. Once, the board was 8 minutes, but it was half a minute. How do those ETA boards work?
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Old February 17th, 2006, 04:21 AM   #432
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Tubey, are you sorry I bumped your thread?

I find the Wimbledon branch the most troubled, is that wrong? Why does it sometimes show a train as coming in _ minutes when in fact I can see that it's going to come much sooner. Once, the board was 8 minutes, but it was half a minute. How do those ETA boards work?
No, I'm glad you bumped it

The Dot matrix boards are completely unreliable on the Wimbledon Branch, because they're dependant on the Wimbledon Signaller punching in the right info. The Network Rail Wimbledon Signalling Centre controls the entire SWT network from Waterloo halfway to Portsmouth, the East Putney to Wimbledon section, which they control, is a minor side issue and so never gets the degree of signallers' attention we'd like. They usually input incorrect or no information so the Dot matrix indicators are not usually correct until after Earl's Court when the Earl's Court Control Room can actually phone us Duty managers to ascertain the train destinations. Archaic but true.

The Wimbledon Branch had issues with rainfall causing 'bobbing' signals (i.e. they disconcertingly would flicker from green to red as trains approached them), but this has been rectified. It was very complex, but it was because, essentially, the rails need to be arranged for the working of both 4th rail LUL trains and 3rd rail SWT trains. There was some sort of conflict with the siganlling circuits as the SWT trains feed current back via the running rails as opposed to the 4th rail. Its very complicated, but the net result was that every time it rained the Wimbledon Branch was prone to multiple signal failures. As I said, its been rectified. This week we have an issue of only 2 of 4 platforms being available at Wimbldeon, but this is unrelated.

On the rest of the network the dot matrix indicators should be pretty accurate most of the time. Train destinations are punched in by signal operators at strategic points, as each train reaches a certain section it will pass this info forwards to stations in advance and cause the dot matrices to display how far away they are in minutes, this is purely from how many stops away they are. Therefore if there's a delay then a train can get stuck on, say, '4 minutes' for 10 minutes, if it gets stuck at the station 4 minutes away for 6 minutes. They don't have a crystal ball!
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Old February 17th, 2006, 04:31 AM   #433
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Trams to Croydon! That's what I've been waiting for my whole life!
I'm going to be studying at UC for a year, and should be getting accommodation around there, which is the Bloomsbury / Camden town area. I want to stay in the city after that year, and where I'll be living will definitely depend on where I'll work as well.

I've heard about Wimbledon being a very nice area with good connections, which is why I asked.

I wouldn't want to go too suburban, and hope I can keep the commute under 20-30 minutes. 'buzzing' also sounds good.
The East End also seems like a nice, up and coming area, and I've heard good stories about the DLR.
I still have some time really, I just wanted to hear the opinion of an expert. Thanks! And your book sounds very interesting, I think I'll go and buy it.
The East End is great, your money will go much further there in my opinion, but a lot of the Docklands areas have been developed so recently they're a bit sterile. If you're looking for reasonably priced Central London then I'd advise somewhere like Bethnal Green; its historically a bit 'rough', but this is more reputation than anything else. If you're aiming for a City job eventually then you'll be one stop from Liverpool Street... Its crazily central and yet still very affordable.

UCL is easily accessed by the Victoria Line (Warren Street), so that opens up several good value areas for a very easy commute... I'd personally advise looking at Highbury or Vauxhall (both about 10 minutes away). Wimbledon wouldn't be a complete nightmare to get to UCL, but it wouldn't necessarily be that painless (probably City District Train to Victoria then change to the Victoria Line to Warren St), that could take up to 45 mins and will likely be very busy the whole way.

If you have any other questions, please ask!
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Wimbledon would be quite suburban though.
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Yes, but its got a busy town centre with loads of amenities... Its not like Ruislip or Raynes Park
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The map situation is indeed also a good reason to rebrand Wimbledon-Edgware into the West London Line (or Wimbleware, that's a name I could fancy).
There's already a West London Line though...
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Trams to Croydon! That's what I've been waiting for my whole life!
I'm going to be studying at UC for a year, and should be getting accommodation around there, which is the Bloomsbury / Camden town area. I want to stay in the city after that year, and where I'll be living will definitely depend on where I'll work as well.

I've heard about Wimbledon being a very nice area with good connections, which is why I asked.

I wouldn't want to go too suburban, and hope I can keep the commute under 20-30 minutes. 'buzzing' also sounds good.
The East End also seems like a nice, up and coming area, and I've heard good stories about the DLR.
I still have some time really, I just wanted to hear the opinion of an expert. Thanks! And your book sounds very interesting, I think I'll go and buy it.
Hey sweek, I used to live in Wimbledon. Getting to UCL would be no probs - you could take South West Trains (every 2-5 mins) down the line 12 mins to Vauxhall then change to the Vic Line there (quicker than taking the district). Transport to all parts of London is excellent (though there is no day time bus service north of the river in to zone 1).

However I wouldnt recommend the place to live in as a student/fresh faced postgrad. Whilst it's a definately any interesting vibrant blend of a surrey heritage meets south london, it is a bit geared towards older-"young" professionals, families and the well off (and south africans). You'd probably also feel a bit detached from a 'london life' given that technically you could do and get all you needed from the well furnished town centre.

I'd start a seperate post in the UK forums if I was you to try and get the low down on the best places to live starting off after a degree. Good luck with the year at UCL!
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Thanks for the pointers. I guess Wimbledon is a place to consider a bit later on in life. I'll focus a bit more on the East End for now then.
I just bought your book as well Tubeman, I hope shipping to the continent doesn't take too long.
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There's already a West London Line though...
Right, I had forgotten about suburban rail. Okay, Wimbleware wins.
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I prefer Chelney to Wimbleware, but I guess Wimbleware makes sense, since it goes beyond Chelsea, and won't go to Hackney (yet?). Or something like the Western line (ā la Northern Line). I think platforms should remain as they are if they did change though, since more Wimbledon-ers are more likely to go into the city than Richmond or Ealing Broadway, and I would think Richmonders and Ealing Broadwayers are more likely to go to Edgware than Wimbledon.

Tubey, I'm looking for a flat as well, where can I find a decent (Ģ1000/month) one-bedroom flat. I live in Fulham and would love to live there, but I think it's more expensive. If not Fulham, somewhere with great transit links to it and Zone 1. Maybe somewhere around Bayswater or Wimbledon (via overland train to the central core?)

Any update on the book's status? (I mean no annoyance)
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