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Old March 28th, 2012, 08:35 PM   #4881
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I was watching 'The Tube' documentary last night and saw the part where they were interviewing the station supervisor (I think), who had to stand guard at the station all night.

I was just intrested to know what the staffing requirements are on the tube (day and night)?

ie deeplevel station + sub surface must be manned by X amount of staff during operating hours etc, and does the same apply to the surface level stations like those on say the District Line on the outer edges of the line?

Also do all tube stations have to be manned at night or just specific ones, or for specific dates?

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All stations have a CCEP (Congestion Control & Emergency Plan), and the CCEP for all 'Section 12' stations (basically underground stations) stipulates minimum staffing levels for evacuation... otherwise the station closes.

Small stations like Regent's Park are 1 Supervisor + 1 other all day, a slightly larger station like Marylebone is 1 + 2, rising to 1 + 3 during peak times... at the other extreme larger stations like King's Cross St Pancras or Oxford Circus could be 2 Supervisors + 15 or more staff in the peaks minimum with rostered levels far above this.

Surface stations like east end District Line will have rostered staff cover 24 hours per day, usually a SSMF (Station Supervisor Multifunctional) who will do everything (ticket office, gateline, and any supervisor duties), often with a part-time CSA on the gateline during the morning peak. The big difference is that not being subsurface ('section 12'), they have no minimum numbers and can be left unstaffed without closing. The gist of it is (I believe) that local management cannot leave a station uncovered in advance, but if it happens at short notice due to sickness, lateness, etc then the station remains open unstaffed.
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Old March 28th, 2012, 08:41 PM   #4882
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Don't forget the 4(?) car trains on the W&C (the 4-car A-stock on the Chesham shuttle and East London Line have gone now though).
Oh yes forgot about the W&C Line... yes 4 cars

The Chesham shuttle has gone, replaced by through trains all day at the last timetable change, in anticipation of S8 stock (which cannot be split into shorter trains).

Another short formation was the Aldwych shuttle, 3 cars of 1973 stock, and equally the D78 stock's brief stint on the east London Line, also 3 cars... for this reason both the D78 and 1973 have a certain proportion (about a third) of 'Double end units'; 3 car units with a functioning cab at each end (the rest of the units only have a drivers cab at one end).
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Old March 28th, 2012, 10:42 PM   #4883
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why does the roof of the trains have a circular shape?
does every train have this circular shape?
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Old March 29th, 2012, 04:52 AM   #4884
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This is why.

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Old March 31st, 2012, 11:32 AM   #4885
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Hi Tubeman,
Sorry if this has been asked before (I couldn't see it in the list of questions in the first post), but do you know how the SSLs get past the Euston Underpass? Euston Square station seems to be directly below the road, at about the level the Underpass gets down to. Does the tube do a dog-leg round or is it lower than I think it is?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 02:31 AM   #4886
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Sorry if this has been asked before (I couldn't see it in the list of questions in the first post), but do you know how the SSLs get past the Euston Underpass? Euston Square station seems to be directly below the road, at about the level the Underpass gets down to. Does the tube do a dog-leg round or is it lower than I think it is?
The railway is parallel to, and immediately south of, the underpass... so as cars drive through the underpass, they're actually running alongside trains just the other side of the retaining wall. I guess it would have been cool to expose the railway so you could see the passing trains from within the underpass, but that obviously would have been a distraction to drivers of both cars and trains so not a great idea!
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Old April 1st, 2012, 02:36 AM   #4887
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Crude pink line is the railway route... Bear in mind the Euston Road is hugely widened at this point, the original southern frontage remains, which gives an idea of the original road (and therefore railway) route... the road was widened to the north by demolishing the original northern frontage, allowing room for the underpass and current eastbound carriageways.

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Old April 1st, 2012, 05:46 PM   #4888
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Are there any London stations placed in the axle of the avenue as the mexico subway?
do you think this is a intelligent solution?
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Old April 1st, 2012, 08:51 PM   #4889
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I don't know of anywhere. They do that in Perth, AU, too. Makes a lot of sense.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:33 PM   #4890
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The railway is parallel to, and immediately south of, the underpass... so as cars drive through the underpass, they're actually running alongside trains just the other side of the retaining wall. I guess it would have been cool to expose the railway so you could see the passing trains from within the underpass, but that obviously would have been a distraction to drivers of both cars and trains so not a great idea!
It would probably also not be a good idea to have more road wehicle exhausts dragged into the railway tunnel.

Perhaps glass windows and vertical "window blinds" so it's air sealed and so that drivers don't see through when looking forward but passengers see through when looking siteways?


Re Highcliff's question:
Not an answer to your actual question but there are a lot of tramways configured this way in eastern Europe (ex. communist bloc). Examples include line 4/6, 1 and 47/49 in Budapest, Mollstraße/Otto Braun Straße and many other places in Berlin e.t.c.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 09:37 PM   #4891
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I don't know of anywhere. They do that in Perth, AU, too. Makes a lot of sense.
They not ideal. People build them because it is easier, but how many walkable destinations do you find near motorways. These routes are not so bad for commuter rail but they are reliant on park and ride and bus connections. Urban metro systems are more effective when relying on walk up trade.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 11:06 PM   #4892
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Fair point. In Perth, it's a lot less tube like and so it made sense in that environment. The stations had large interchanges spanning the road. I did think it was silly in terms of lack or real destination, but these are, as you say, for commuters rather than tourists or the casual traveller.

If we were to plan our cities from scratch, I would assume doing this would make much more financial sense.
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Old April 1st, 2012, 11:08 PM   #4893
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The DLR west of Gallions Reach is like that
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 01:57 PM   #4894
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Thanks Tubeman. All seems so obvious once it's been explained to you!
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 06:48 PM   #4895
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thanks so much
I have a question:
what are the stations near the olympic stadium?
do you believe the olympic games may cause Barcelona effect?
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:22 PM   #4896
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Stratford, Stratford International and West Ham are the official stations for the Olympic stadium. Pudding Mill Lane is the closest station to the Stadium but isn't mentioned on the London 2012 site (for the obvious reason that the station doesn't have the capacity to move people to/from the games), and Hackney Wick is closer to the main stadium than Stratford International or West Ham (and the closest station to the media area) but there's no easy access to the Olympic Park from that station.

As for Barcelona effect - only in the vicinity near the park, though all the games have done has brought forward the time-scale of regeneration, rejuvenation and growth by a couple of years.
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Old April 2nd, 2012, 07:57 PM   #4897
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so...
it makes me understand that DLR is very important for olympic games...
by the way...is DLR a mean of transportation to revitalize areas and districts? does it makes sense?
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The DLR has done wonders for the easy end and has grown exponentially. This is evident in the trains themselves, 3 times their original length.
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Old April 6th, 2012, 12:47 AM   #4899
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as I can see in this picture, the tube lines stock can ride on the subsurface lines, but the subsurface lines stock can ride the tube lines only at surface, right?

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And finally, something I thought was interesting...

Difference in size between the Sub-Surface Stock and the Tube Stock, it's the Piccadilly line 1973 Stock and Metropolitan line A Stock side by side on the Uxbridge branch:

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Old April 6th, 2012, 01:14 AM   #4900
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i was really really really disappointed by the london underground fares. i got a problem when i visited london 2 days ago. ok that happened at the wellesden green station, i asked a staff to give me the cheapest ticket and i did mention that i am travelling to central london, stratford olympic site and i also said that i am going to wembley stadium as well. he then gave me a one day ticket which cost me almost 10 quids as far as i remember. i took the train at wellesden green station then i got off at the wembley park station, i put my travel ticket in the machine at the gate but it didn't work then i looked at the front page of the ticket and found that it is valid only for zone 1-2, i was like wow the ticket is so expensive and i didn't realise it earlier. in the mean time 2 station staffs came to me, took my ticket and they told me to give £80 for penalty. i was alone and i was so scared at the time although i believed i didn't do anything wrong. i explained them about my journeys and everything and i refused to pay that massive amount of fine, after a few mins 2 policemen came in and took all the personal details and one of the station staffs gave me an appeal form as well. i haven't appealed yet, all i know is that i was massively disappointed by that london underground experience though and i was so angry for the fact that two cops took my details. it's expensive and some staffs are very unreliable like the one who sold me the wrong ticket although i did explain him my plans and everything.
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