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Old February 26th, 2006, 10:37 PM   #481
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On the planning document for the North London line conversion was for the Beckton to have a service to Tower gateway and Stratford, and Woolwich will have trains to Stratford and Bank.
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Old February 26th, 2006, 11:24 PM   #482
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Ok biased opinions here...

but again, the DLR - like the emergence of the tube network, seems to be predominantly built north of the river. Now I know there is a load of railways serving S London - but why not railways better used for higher frequency DLR trains? How about linking in with the tramlink south of Lewisham - or even take over part of it?

bah. all pointless i guess. It's just frustrating that tube maps to the average layperson give the impression there is nothing to go south for (which I guess is right anyway .
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Old February 27th, 2006, 12:57 AM   #483
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Until we see the results of the next study for future extensions we won't know what they want to do. Apart from the rumoured West end extension, it's pretty certain they are looking at a southern extension. Two possible destinations are Catford or Hither green.
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Old February 27th, 2006, 02:31 AM   #484
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Until we see the results of the next study for future extensions we won't know what they want to do. Apart from the rumoured West end extension, it's pretty certain they are looking at a southern extension. Two possible destinations are Catford or Hither green.
Taking over the Mid-Kent line (Lewisham to Hayes) would be an obvious option, this would link with tramlink (Elmers End), but it would seriously disadvantage commuters by subjecting them to a longer, more circuitous journey into London.
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Old February 27th, 2006, 03:24 AM   #485
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Can you or anyone else note the mistake(s) I made
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Old February 27th, 2006, 08:10 PM   #486
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High Meads and Channelsea Curves missing (just West of Stratford)
Beckenham Junction to Crystal Palace line incomplete (stops at Birkbeck)
South Tottenham Curve missing
Link between Gospel Oak>Barking line and Midland Main Line missing
I'm pretty sure Piccadilly Line doesn't cross under the GNER main line and back again south of Bounds Green
Chiltern Railways Wembley Stadium / Sudbury / Northolt Park line missing

...Well you did ask
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Old February 27th, 2006, 10:11 PM   #487
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If the Lewisham branch were to extend southward, would they need to move the DLR station then?
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Old February 28th, 2006, 12:03 AM   #488
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Just looked at the Transport For London 5 year capital programme (updated), and I discovered a few more details.

Tower Gateway is to get another platfrom. The capacity enhancement programme will also see the Bank/Tower Gateway juction widened so there are two tracks going to each branch. An extra signalling loop near Royal Mint will reduce delays, if a train fails.

The most important thing I missed was the improvement to the Delta junction North of West India Quay. When I had read it before, I had thought it was just being strengthened, but at £24 million, that is a bit pricey. What they want to do is introduce more grade seperation so that train movements from Bank and Poplar, going into Canary Wharf no longer cross each other.
The alternatives suggested for the extra train paths are; either more Lewisham-Bank services, re-introducing Stratford-Lewisham services or a new route from the Royal Docks to Canary Wharf. The reason quoted for the beefing up of the DLR programme was the expected delay to Crossrail.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 12:07 AM   #489
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The 'Guard's Panel':



The Gauge is 'Trainline Air' (would take too long to explain!)

Top left is the 'Loudaphone' with which you attempted to communicate with the driver

To the right of the '2', top to bottom, The Pilot Light (not on), Guard door open, Guard door close

To the left of the '2' are Saloon heating on / off and rear door cut-out / cut-in

Across the bottom, on the left is the signal 'The Bell', then two 'open' buttons either side of the 'close'

The idea was to use two hands to open the doors, preventing accidental opening between stations, but we all used two fingers of one hand (tut tut). That's also why the 'Signal' button has a collar around it, so you wouldn't hit it by accident.

Bottom left you can just about make out the tip-up seat we pulled down
Hi Tubey, and all,

Since Xmas life seems to have gone mad, with the "time compression" of what apprently is known as "The Quickening" seeing time fly by so fast... such that I've barely been able to come here to read (& archive) messages, let alone add to them.

Anyway, I'm here now, and happy to be able to share some pics of guard's panels to this page (OK, it was on page 20, but is now something like 25!)

The two Northern Line 1959 Tube pics were taken using a malfunctioning camera that only worked on F2, thankfully I was able to any image at all.



This image shows the panel, the seat, etc. I suspect the guard's hand was moving, as its somewhat blured and over oine of the two "door open" buttons.




Here we see the guard using one hand to open the doors. The illuminated blue lamps is of course the pilot light. BTW, if i remember correctly the 1938 trains had this over the door to the next car??




Here is a pics of an A stock guards panel. This was taken many years ago, using a different camera! The illuminated orange light is for the heater - it means that the heating is switched on.

It will be a sad day when these trains are replaced, espcially as the replacements will have significantly fewer seats. As Virgin CrossCountry found out the hard way, sometimes it is not physically possible to run extra trains to compensate. (On-track congestion forced service cut backs)

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Old February 28th, 2006, 12:31 AM   #490
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Ah, thanks for the nostalgia Simon

I'd never seen the A Stock Guard's Panel before... looks a lot tidier than the ones on the '59 Stocks!

It would be a turnup for the books if that was me on the '59... But its not, far too much hair (even when I was a Guard at 19/20 I had a skinhead).

I really enjoyed the job, It felt really lonely once I passed out 'Motors' and started driving... stuck in the dingy, cramped 1959 stock cab with only the bell going 'ding' every 2 minutes for company, hence my rapid flight to the daylight and 'big' trains of the District Line.
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Old February 28th, 2006, 02:21 AM   #491
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High Meads and Channelsea Curves missing (just West of Stratford)
Beckenham Junction to Crystal Palace line incomplete (stops at Birkbeck)
South Tottenham Curve missing
Link between Gospel Oak>Barking line and Midland Main Line missing
I'm pretty sure Piccadilly Line doesn't cross under the GNER main line and back again south of Bounds Green
Chiltern Railways Wembley Stadium / Sudbury / Northolt Park line missing

...Well you did ask
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Old February 28th, 2006, 07:36 PM   #492
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Just had an email from Amazon saying my Tubey book's on the way
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Old February 28th, 2006, 08:25 PM   #493
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Just had an email from Amazon saying my Tubey book's on the way
Some people must already have it... I got 2 emails today from customers with information about the maps (I put an email address in the preface)... This may well be the start of an enormous deluge!
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Old February 28th, 2006, 09:40 PM   #494
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Mine's on the way as well, expected delivery is this Friday.
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Old March 1st, 2006, 12:39 AM   #495
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I guess I should check my email. I haven't yet gotten an email from Amazon
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Old March 1st, 2006, 01:44 AM   #496
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Tubeman. I've seen your book and what I've seen looks really good. One thing I've been interested in finding out is if Earls Court can be cross interchange, why do you have services from Wimbledon using both branches east and Ealing/Richmond/Olympia services using only one.

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Old March 1st, 2006, 01:57 AM   #497
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Ok biased opinions here...

but again, the DLR - like the emergence of the tube network, seems to be predominantly built north of the river. Now I know there is a load of railways serving S London - but why not railways better used for higher frequency DLR trains? How about linking in with the tramlink south of Lewisham - or even take over part of it?

bah. all pointless i guess. It's just frustrating that tube maps to the average layperson give the impression there is nothing to go south for (which I guess is right anyway .
I don't see the point in sending the DLR to Charing Cross. If it was going to Hither Green/Catford the DLR would pass all Charing Cross services en route to Docklands so the Charing Cross trains may as well stop where the DLR does to connect with it rather than making people travel back on themselves. I suppose tube passengers could switch but then the Jubille from Waterloo would be quicker.

Regarding the City and Canary Wharf route which is over-caapcity, I think a bridge or tunnel from Poplar station over to the Canary Wharf complex. It would take less than 5 minutes to walk - on the east side of the complex some people would probably get to their office quicker. A cheap way of adding the Beckton trains to the capacity into Canary Wharf.
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Old March 1st, 2006, 02:10 AM   #498
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Old March 1st, 2006, 02:28 PM   #499
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Some people must already have it... I got 2 emails today from customers with information about the maps
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Old March 1st, 2006, 04:58 PM   #500
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Not corrections I trust
No, one guy thought he was but I've got evidence to the contrary

The other was giving a bit of further detail on an area

Have you got it yet?
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