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Old March 1st, 2006, 05:45 PM   #501
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Still waiting mine. It was sent out last week, so should arrive here in Frankfurt probably tomorrow.

I must admit I'm rather excited.
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No word yet Amazon.co.uk still says mine is to be delivered 7-9 February!
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 06:36 PM   #503
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Bah! My first error

Oh well, its pretty minor... A reader sent me an email today and I re-read my source and confirmed it, but the passage in my source was somewhat misleading.
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Old March 2nd, 2006, 08:16 PM   #504
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It arrived today. It's a good job I nipped home and parked on the drive, as I found the card from the postman saying he'd put it in the garage - if I'd just come home after work I'd have probably driven over it
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Old March 3rd, 2006, 12:07 AM   #506
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I've only read the first chapter so far. The plot took a while to make sense, but I'm finding it quite gripping now.
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Old March 4th, 2006, 07:28 AM   #507
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Old March 4th, 2006, 02:33 PM   #508
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^Received an email yesterday, and it should be here soon enough.

Why are there two different Shepherd's Bush (and Paddington) stations that don't directly connect to each other, and why don't they just name one something else? I guess few people are confused by it. And why is Olympia always referred to as such, but on the maps, it's Kensington (Olympia)?
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Old March 4th, 2006, 05:19 PM   #509
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^Received an email yesterday, and it should be here soon enough.

Why are there two different Shepherd's Bush (and Paddington) stations that don't directly connect to each other, and why don't they just name one something else? I guess few people are confused by it. And why is Olympia always referred to as such, but on the maps, it's Kensington (Olympia)?
Re: Shepherd's Bush...

Wait 'til you get the book, there have been 7 differently-located stations named Shepherd's Bush over the years... we should be grateful just to have 2 at the moment!

The simple answer is that the companies which built London's Railways were by and large all separate entities and so often thought nothing of providing easy interchanges between lines (in fact this would often be actively avoided), they only cared about tapping into certain areas. Therefore many areas received adjacent but unlinked stations from different companies, e.g.

Shepherd's Bush = Central & Metropolitan Lines, London & SW, West London
Edgware Road = Bakerloo, Circle / District / H&C
Crystal Palace = London Chatham & Dover (LCDR) and London & Brighton (LBSCR)
Catford Bridge / Catford = LCDR & LBSCR
Bromley North & South = South-Eastern (SER) and LCDR
Uxbridge had 3 independent termini at one point (Met, GWR, Great Central)
Staines had 2 stations (LSWR & GWR)

(Plus many more)

Victoria Station is in fact 2 totally independent stations alongside each other (again LCDR and LBSCR), this is still fairly apparent today although the wall between their concourses has been knocked down!

Re: Paddington

It is all one station in that technincally the H&C platforms are part of the main GWR terminus, which in turn interchanges with the Bakerloo / Circle / District station. It just so happens however that the H&C platforms are right on the north side of the trainshed and the underground station at the southern tip, they are so far apart that they are not shown as an interchange.

The original Metropolitan Railway was a very early Crossrail. As built is was a direct London-ward extension of the GWR, it was GWR 7 foot Broad Gauge and physically connected with the Midland (St Pancras), Great Northern (Kings Cross), London Chatham & Dover (Farringdon) and Great Eastern (Liverpool Street). It was fully intended to operate like Thameslink does today, but it was ahead of its time and the Main Line companies it connected with never agreed about reciprocal arrangements to run over each other's metals, and so by default it became the world's first metro.

Connections at Liverpool Street and King's Cross (the one facing eastwards) were hastily removed, but the St pancras one is still intact after a fashion (Thameslink) and as a hangover the H&C Line emerges into Paddington Mainline station.
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Old March 4th, 2006, 11:12 PM   #510
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Ah, thanks for the nostalgia Simon

I'd never seen the A Stock Guard's Panel before... looks a lot tidier than the ones on the '59 Stocks!
Hi Tubey,

I've got a pic of panel 2 as well - I'll uplift and post here the next tme I am uplifting images (hopefully within next few days).

In the meantime, I have aquestion - I might have asked this before, but its a topic which very much concerns me.

Apart from the Thanmes barrier, how good (if at all) are London Underground's flood defences? OK, so flood barriers were installed to protect the system in case a WW2 bomb breached a section of tunnel which passes under the Thames - but is that all?

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ps, I am so concerened that I might start a thread on this topic
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Old March 5th, 2006, 01:45 AM   #511
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It is all one station in that technincally the H&C platforms are part of the main GWR terminus, which in turn interchanges with the Bakerloo / Circle / District station. It just so happens however that the H&C platforms are right on the north side of the trainshed and the underground station at the southern tip, they are so far apart that they are not shown as an interchange.

The original Metropolitan Railway was a very early Crossrail. As built is was a direct London-ward extension of the GWR, it was GWR 7 foot Broad Gauge and physically connected with the Midland (St Pancras), Great Northern (Kings Cross), London Chatham & Dover (Farringdon) and Great Eastern (Liverpool Street). It was fully intended to operate like Thameslink does today, but it was ahead of its time and the Main Line companies it connected with never agreed about reciprocal arrangements to run over each other's metals, and so by default it became the world's first metro.

Connections at Liverpool Street and King's Cross (the one facing eastwards) were hastily removed, but the St pancras one is still intact after a fashion (Thameslink) and as a hangover the H&C Line emerges into Paddington Mainline station.
But it used to use 4 platforms - the pair which it still does use plus the next pair in, which nowadays are used by terminating mainline diesel trains. The former trackbed has been reused as an access point.

Untill WW2 some GWR trains would continue through over the northern half of the Circle Line - I think as far as Aldgate? - changing between steam and electric locos as Paddington.

Oh to be able to time travel and take a modern digital camera + camcorder with me!!! (perchance to dream) (I'd also want to investigate trains such as the Southend Corridor Express)

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Old March 5th, 2006, 10:48 AM   #512
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Hi Tubey,

I've got a pic of panel 2 as well - I'll uplift and post here the next tme I am uplifting images (hopefully within next few days).

In the meantime, I have aquestion - I might have asked this before, but its a topic which very much concerns me.

Apart from the Thanmes barrier, how good (if at all) are London Underground's flood defences? OK, so flood barriers were installed to protect the system in case a WW2 bomb breached a section of tunnel which passes under the Thames - but is that all?

Simon

ps, I am so concerened that I might start a thread on this topic
Well the WW2 floodgates are all still in situ and allegedly operational, but I'm not aware of them ever being tested. Truthfully the Thames Barrier should do the job; when a Spring Tide is due the barrier is lowered at low tide damming the Thames at Woolwich and preventing the tide from rising above it, the Thames is so tidal that even if the Thames was in full flood the effect of damming it for a few hours is preferable to allowing the spring tide up into London.

There's probably barely a single metro system that isn't below sea level and / or the level of the city's river, so we're not unique (think about cities properly at sea level like New York, Tokyo, Hong Kong, Singapore etc). The WW2 floodgates were pretty callous anyway; if a tunnel under the Thames was breached by a bomb the gates would all be lowered, and if there was a train trapped between them then tough shit... everyone on that train drowned. This was deemed preferable to flooding half the network and killing many more people.
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Hi Tubeman,

below should an image of the other A stock guards panel. The flap at the top of the panel is where the guard used his key to activate the buttons.



I have some sympathy with the view that its better to loose one train load of passengers than the entire system, with many train loads of passengers, plus passengers on station platforms. But nevertheless it is / would have been a very brutal thing to do.

Thank God the scenario did not arise.

but talking of flooding a specific threat has been recorded for later this month / early April. If the event happens along Atlantic Ocean coastlines then cities such as New York, Boston, Lisbon, Barcelona, Liverpool and more would be imperrilled. London would be less likely to be affected. A North Sea event would be the end of london, as well as many north European low land cities.

Information based on this website.

The main page is here - it will need about a week to read, but the first quarter or so will be enough http://users.gloryroad.net/~bigjim/index.htm

http://users.gloryroad.net/~bigjim/what_we_have.htm a brief resume of why he made this website and his evidence.

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Old March 11th, 2006, 01:12 PM   #514
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I still have my Guard's Key... I wonder how much it would fetch on ebay?
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Hey Tubeman,

Love your work!

How legal is drinking booze on the tube? On my way out I usually have a cheeky tin on the tube and I see alot of others doing the same and no one bats an eyelid!

Thanks!
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Old March 14th, 2006, 09:34 PM   #516
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Its against railway byelaws to be drunk on the railway, but considering most manline TOCs sell alcohol and 95% of our Customers are bladdered on a Friday or saturday night you can see its not taken seriously.

As long as you do none of the following I don't care:

Be loud / abusive
Piss on the train / station
Puke on the train / platform
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I'm so glad that a quiet orgy and leaving undies lying around is not a problem.
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Old March 16th, 2006, 02:57 PM   #518
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But why would you want to sell it???

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Tubey, great book! (Delayed response to me getting it)

Why are there only glass doors in the underground stations of the Jubilee line extension, and not Canning Town, etc. that are above ground? Will future underground stations be fitted with these too?
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