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Old January 22nd, 2013, 01:34 AM   #5181
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Tubeman, thanks for the times. Unfortunately, I haven't had the time to come on recently so completely missed it
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:22 PM   #5182
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There's going to be runs of this train formation all year, apparently... Although I'm not sure if there will be any more along the 1863 Metropolitan route.
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Old January 22nd, 2013, 08:25 PM   #5183
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Love this photo from my friend who's a test train operator (one of the Sarah Siddons drivers), Met No.1 in Lillie Bridge Depot in the snow



(credit to Ian Blake)
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Old February 16th, 2013, 08:30 PM   #5184
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Does the Waterloo and City line have all of its own staffing and systems or is it under the jurisdiction of another line because it is so short?
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Old February 17th, 2013, 11:41 AM   #5185
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Does the Waterloo and City line have all of its own staffing and systems or is it under the jurisdiction of another line because it is so short?
It's operated by the Central Line, with drivers belonging to Leytonstone Depot... makes sense as they both use 1992 Stock.

It is completely isolated however, stock needs to be lifted down to Waterloo Depot one car at a time by crane... there used to be a lift on the north side of Waterloo mainline, but this was swept away by the Eurostar platforms.
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Old February 17th, 2013, 09:38 PM   #5186
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...but this was swept away by the Eurostar platforms.
I've always wondered why they removed that!
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Old February 17th, 2013, 10:23 PM   #5187
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I've always wondered why they removed that!
Because it was very rarely used. It probably saw most use under NSE when they had class 487s up in waterloo for network day and then to refurbish them into NSE livery. Apart from that it would have only been used once every 10 years, it's not really worth it for that
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Old February 17th, 2013, 10:26 PM   #5188
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It became much less relevant when the W&C was transferred from BR to LUL, as the trains are no longer compatible with the Southern Region. There's a fantastic video here of the lift in action, swapping the original 1898 stock for new trains in 1940, which ultimately lasted until the current 1992 Stock... You can see a shiny new train running towards Waterloo under its own power, as the W&C was 3rd rail.

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Old February 18th, 2013, 01:23 AM   #5189
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...oh... and the small detail that 1992 stock cars were too long for the lift!
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Old February 18th, 2013, 10:35 PM   #5190
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There's going to be runs of this train formation all year, apparently... Although I'm not sure if there will be any more along the 1863 Metropolitan route.
I haven't heard of anything more involving the Bluebell's Ashbury set, the lack of secondary door locks restricts them to 25mph unfortunately.

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Old February 18th, 2013, 11:12 PM   #5191
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Manchester77: And for various maintenance equipment. That i do know.

Tubeman: Hard to believe these days that something lasted more than a year or two in the past.
I never thought about the length of the car as a reason for its removal.
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Old February 18th, 2013, 11:13 PM   #5192
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I haven't heard of anything more involving the Bluebell's Ashbury set, the lack of secondary door locks restricts them to 25mph unfortunately.

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I got the impression when I did the Steward training that the formation would be kept intact and on LU metals for the Summer, but I could be mistaken.

I think it was going to be outer sections, which would be a headache along the 2-track sections of the Met... I guess maybe Harrow to Watford along the 'slow' or the Chesham shuttle?
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Old February 20th, 2013, 11:55 PM   #5193
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...oh... and the small detail that 1992 stock cars were too long for the lift!
By 1992, work was well underway on the Waterloo International Terminal and the lift was gone.

I was working on the refurbishment of the W & C at that time and the spur that led to the old lift was still in place but closed off.

Part of the refurbishment works that was done ahead of the introduction of the 1992 London Underground stock was the construction of a new opening in the covered way by Spur Road, Waterloo, where the vehicles are now craned in and out.

Interesting to see the Bulleid stock when it was new. We always described travelling on the W & C as the 'white knuckle ride' as the coaches used to sway so alarmingly that you felt sure they would touch the sides of the tunnel.
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Old February 21st, 2013, 12:03 AM   #5194
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I got the impression when I did the Steward training that the formation would be kept intact and on LU metals for the Summer, but I could be mistaken.

I think it was going to be outer sections, which would be a headache along the 2-track sections of the Met... I guess maybe Harrow to Watford along the 'slow' or the Chesham shuttle?
Alas it seems he was mistaken, the Ashbury set is already back at the Bluebell and even without the speed restriction would presumably be needed for their services.

According to the latest reports the 'Steam on the Met' runs will be Harrow-Amersham at up to 50mph, and will involve the 4TC set and probably the Jubilee carriage too, though locked out of use. Apparently Acton-Uxbridge is also a possibility later in the year.

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When will we see security screening on the tube??
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Old February 21st, 2013, 08:15 PM   #5196
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When will we see security screening on the tube??
Never?
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Old March 4th, 2013, 03:59 AM   #5197
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Hey!

Can you please edit the title of this thread: http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=478266

It says "Subway" but officially Santo Domingo's mass transit system is called Metro.

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Old March 6th, 2013, 03:44 PM   #5199
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How often does engineering stock use LU lines in zone 1?

Does engineering stock travel along operational lines often, or is movement of such stock restricted to times when lines are closed?

Have you been involved in the movement of engineering stock? What operational differences are there between engineering and passenger stock?
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How often does engineering stock use LU lines in zone 1?

Does engineering stock travel along operational lines often, or is movement of such stock restricted to times when lines are closed?

Have you been involved in the movement of engineering stock? What operational differences are there between engineering and passenger stock?
Often... certainly before and after every closure, there'll be various engineering vehicles travelling to and from site. So, say there's a weekend shutdown for track renewal, there'll be numerous trains dropping off plant, equipment and materials on site in the run up, then during the works trains bringing out old ballast, sleepers, rails, and bringing in new.

In consequence, the prime times for seeing engineers trains are late night / early morning, with a peak on Friday night and Monday morning related to weekend closures. There's no restrictions on them mixing with 'normal' trains, they all have ATP, although as they can be prone to failure more than the average passenger train and are generally pretty slow, they are kept away from the main traffic day as much as possible.

My business has always been passenger trains, so I've not had any direct involvement with engineers trains... plenty of indirect involvement however (e.g. if they delay our services). Operationally, they are no different to the average Tube train, have to abide by the same procedures, follow the same signals etc. I think there certainly used to be a peculiarity with the Victoria Line where engineers trains could not run in traffic hours as they could not operate on the old ATO system (so basically had to run in a 'possession' in engineering hours), this may have changed with the new ATO system. Certainly a couple of 'battery locos' (the familiar yellow Tube-sized locomotives which haul engineers trains) have been equipped with Jubilee (and now Northern) Line TBTC, as this allows for manual driving at line speed reading an in-cab display rather than trackside signals. The Victoria Line certainly used to have only two modes: full ATO, or manual driving at caution speed by sight alone (i.e. you're looking out for a train ahead).

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