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Old March 23rd, 2006, 03:31 AM   #541
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I think the focus would shift to improving integration between Tube and NR services, and increasing speed, frequency and capacity. If Crossrail bites the dust I sincerely doubt anyone will bother with any other proposed lines.

With resignalling and possibly platform lengthenings the current crop of Tube lines could easily have their capacities increased by 50%, we currently offer only about 25tph between Gloucester Road and Tower Hill yet in the 1930's 35-40tph was achieveable (with a lot more signals though).

Personally, I'd like to see the whole system automatic... I think this would provide the biggest benefit re: capacity.
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 11:51 AM   #542
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Finally! Your book arrived! Took Amazon long enough but I'm a happy camper now!
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:05 PM   #543
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Old March 23rd, 2006, 07:39 PM   #544
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Worked overtime last night so I only had a quick look before bed, but I was quite impressed. At a first glance it was a bit overwhelming, I suppose an interactive version where one can see the expansions and demolitions chronologically would've been even more superb but obviously that's not truly possible in book form.

Any chance you're secretly working on a 2.0 covering Greater London?
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Old March 24th, 2006, 01:52 PM   #545
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A solution can be only place the number near the terminus and the junctions on the actual map, without adding a line for each service.
I was thinking something similar to this map, where S-Bahn lines are shown in groups, one color each (brown-violet-green), but with numbers shown.

Something similar can be done for London, with the actual historic map, simply adding line numbers at the terminus and along the way, without using a different green for each different District service.
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Old March 24th, 2006, 11:34 PM   #546
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Old March 26th, 2006, 11:51 PM   #547
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It's of UrbanRail, that is hosted on several Geocities spaces. When a limit of traffic is reached, nobody can acces them

http://www.urbanrail.net/eu/bln/berlin.htm
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Old March 29th, 2006, 10:05 PM   #548
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Hey Tubey, somebody's plugging your book on USENET, plus asking a question you might be able to answer:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....0fa9775d49b27c
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Old March 30th, 2006, 11:16 AM   #549
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Hey Tubey, somebody's plugging your book on USENET, plus asking a question you might be able to answer:

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/uk....0fa9775d49b27c
**** me look what I've started... I'm famous!

The question's already been answered there
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Old April 17th, 2006, 09:16 AM   #550
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Tubeman, I've heard rumours that the Central Line is running on the right hand side tracks instead of left, is that correct? (I didn't notice when I rode it.) What are the reasons? Are there other lines in London running on the right?
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Old April 17th, 2006, 12:20 PM   #551
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The Central line does have a right-hand running section between East Acton and Shepherds Bush (the only station with right-hand running is White City) - this can be seen on page 49 of the famous London Railway Atlas mentioned above. The reason for this is historical - the Central London Railway used to terminate at Shepherds Bush, with a single line (the westbound) continuing to a depot to the west of this station. When the Franco-British Exhibition was held in 1908, a new station at Wood Lane was built on a new loop of track, which, due to restricted space and the location of the depot, was formed by the eastbound Shepherds Bush track being extended under the westbound, so trains ran anti-clockwise around the loop.

After World War I, the Central line was extended further west, with new platforms being added at Wood Lane for through trains, and the track from these platforms being attached to the west and east sides of the loop. Because trains ran anti-clockwise around the loop, this meant that westbound trains out of Shepherds Bush were now on the right-hand side, so a flyover was built at Wood Lane Junction to swap them back. Wood Lane station was later replaced by the current White City.

I don't know anywhere else where there is "proper" right-hand side running, though this might occur at stations as a result of cross-platform arrangements.

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Old April 17th, 2006, 01:29 PM   #552
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Tubey or someone from london,
are there different tunnels and plattforms for each line on a circle strech for district, circle H&city and picadilly or for metropolitan and jubilee, or the lines share the same tracks?? i don't remember.
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Old April 17th, 2006, 04:28 PM   #553
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The Circle line shares all its track with another line, except for between Gloucester Road and High Street Kensington, and Aldgate and Tower Hill. It has a separate platform in some stations, but I can't remember which (Gloucester Road is one).

Tubey, what do you think about the Canary Wharf-Aldgate possibility? Have you seen the thread?
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Old April 18th, 2006, 06:55 PM   #554
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Tubey or someone from london,
are there different tunnels and plattforms for each line on a circle strech for district, circle H&city and picadilly or for metropolitan and jubilee, or the lines share the same tracks?? i don't remember.
The Metropolitan and Jubilee are segregated Wembley Park to Baker Street, but they can run on each other's tracks beyond Finchley Road.

Likewise, the District and Piccadilly are segregated South Kensington to Acton Town, but can use each other's tracks beyond Hammersmith. The only section they share is Acton Town to Hanger Lane Junction (through Ealing Common).

Piccadilly Trains run on the 'District' (or 'Slow') tracks and vice versa during emergencies and failures between Acton Town and Hammermsith.

The 'Sub-surface' lines (District, Hammersmith & City, Circle & Metropolitan) all share tracks wherever depicted on the Tube Map; bar a short section between South Kensington and Gloucester Road where there are parallel District and Circle Westbound Roads (but they share an eastbound). Its essentially all one big railway, the 'lines' denote their historical background and service patterns. Originally the Circle Line wasn't shown separately and the Hammersmith & City was a part of the Metropolitan, so the maps showed just District and Metropolitan Lines, corresponding with the Metropolitan and Metropolitan District Railway companies.
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ok. thx. now i know .
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Old April 21st, 2006, 04:35 PM   #556
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I notice that the 1995 stock for the Northern Line and the 1996 stock for the Jubilee Line are very similar in design. Other than the onboard announcements corresponding for each line, are there any other significant differences in their designs?
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Old April 21st, 2006, 04:53 PM   #557
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I notice that the 1995 stock for the Northern Line and the 1996 stock for the Jubilee Line are very similar in design. Other than the onboard announcements corresponding for each line, are there any other significant differences in their designs?
Cosmetically very little (Jubilee line has aqua colour panelling inside cars) but the motor / braking systems are very different. I'm no great expert, but the '96 stock has what's known as the 'chopper' system... hence they sound very different when accelerating / braking. The Mainline 'Networker' stock has the same system and makes the same distinctive noises.

The only other major difference is that now the '96 stocks run in 7-car sets as opposed to the '95 stock 6 cars.

Why two stocks designed only a year apart should have totally different motoring / braking systems I don't claim to know... It may be because the '96 stocks were intended to be automatic immediately that the JLE opened in 1999 (but we're still waiting!)

Spot the difference!

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Old April 21st, 2006, 11:37 PM   #558
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Is the chopper system by any chance connected to Siemens or the same company that did Berlin's new U-Bahn stock. I absolutely love that sound both cities new stock make - like as if they are hovering in and out of the station - bliss.
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Old April 22nd, 2006, 02:57 AM   #559
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Is the chopper system by any chance connected to Siemens or the same company that did Berlin's new U-Bahn stock. I absolutely love that sound both cities new stock make - like as if they are hovering in and out of the station - bliss.
Hmm dunno if Siemens built the motor equipment

The Networker Class 365 were built by ABB in York (the last trains built at the York Works prior to closure)



The '95 and '96 Tube stocks were built by GEC-Alsthom in Birmingham (formerly Metro-Cammell)
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Why are the sub surface lines so much slower than the deep level lines?
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