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Old June 27th, 2006, 12:35 AM   #661
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I had a kind of related question, you know the Business Design Centre in Islington, well I have always thought it looked like it was once a train station, is this true?
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Old June 27th, 2006, 11:27 AM   #662
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I had a kind of related question, you know the Business Design Centre in Islington, well I have always thought it looked like it was once a train station, is this true?
No. Its funny how many people think that... I can certainly see where people get that impression. It was built as an agricultural exhibition hall... Its a very similar design to Olympia, which also can look like a grand abandoned railway terminus.
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Old June 27th, 2006, 11:32 AM   #663
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Tubeman, do you know the length of the Hainault loop (length of the full loop) and the length of the Circle Line?
That would take a little research, although a useless factoid (if I remember correctly) is that the former is longer than the latter. The Circle Line is 13 miles (approx 20km) long according to my London Underground handbook, so if the useless factoid is correct then the Hainault Loop is at least 20km long (including the Western side between Leytonstone and Woodford).
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Old June 28th, 2006, 08:32 AM   #664
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I probably wouldn't have asked if it were useless for me, but forget it.
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Old June 28th, 2006, 04:36 PM   #665
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No. Its funny how many people think that... I can certainly see where people get that impression. It was built as an agricultural exhibition hall... Its a very similar design to Olympia, which also can look like a grand abandoned railway terminus.
In case people were wondering what we were talking about; the Business Design Centre in Islington;





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Old June 28th, 2006, 04:38 PM   #666
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I probably wouldn't have asked if it were useless for me, but forget it.
Eh? Have you got the hump?

I've told you the Circle Line is 20km and the Hainault Loop longer than that... Apologies for not knowing the Hainault Loop's length off the top of my head!
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Old June 28th, 2006, 04:52 PM   #667
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Wasn't there a graveyard station in South London once, London Necropolis Station or something, used to transport stiffs?
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Old June 28th, 2006, 06:50 PM   #668
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Wasn't there a graveyard station in South London once, London Necropolis Station or something, used to transport stiffs?
The London Necropolis Station in London was this building:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...s_terminus.jpg


Location of the London terminus in London - practically right in the heart of the city on Westminster Bridge Road, just beside the approach tracks into London Waterloo.





The dead ended up going to Brookwood Cemetery which still has its station so you can pop off for a trip to visit the dead....




The red circle is the station - its on the West of England Main Line, so you can still visit the dead if you wish to...

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Old June 28th, 2006, 07:10 PM   #669
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Thanks Nick, though I'm not morbid enough to visit the cemetery, but it was interesting that there was a dedicated station in central London just for this purpose.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 12:08 AM   #670
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Still about numbering the lines: as proposed also by Tubeman, why not rename one branch of the Northern line (Southern?) and the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service of the District (if this is not going to change)?

(even if I still prefer numbers)
If they were to do that I'd prefer the Bank branch to be called the City & South London line...
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Old June 29th, 2006, 11:47 AM   #671
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Yes, Necropolis was originally located where the 'St' of 'Leake St' is on the Western side of the station, when Waterloo was expanded in 1902 it was moved to the east side and further south; where it says 'PO'. The site is now occupied by two sidings and the portakabins of the BEX Railway Training Centre, I believe the station was bomb-damaged in 1941 and never re-opened.

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Old June 29th, 2006, 07:13 PM   #672
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Yes, Necropolis was originally located where the 'St' of 'Leake St' is on the Western side of the station, when Waterloo was expanded in 1902 it was moved to the east side and further south; where it says 'PO'. The site is now occupied by two sidings and the portakabins of the BEX Railway Training Centre, I believe the station was bomb-damaged in 1941 and never re-opened.


Where was the original Nine Elms Terminus for the SouthWestern Railway - presumably somewhere on that map no doubt?

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I bothered to look it up myself:
"Nine Elms formerly was the London terminus of the London and South Western Railway -the forerunner of South West Trains- but in 1848 Waterloo station opened and became the London terminus. The area where the railway station was located became a locomotive and goods depot for the railway company before being sold and transformed into the New Covent Garden Market."

So not on that map then, but a bit more south.
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Old June 29th, 2006, 07:53 PM   #673
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The old London & South Western Railway Terminus for London was at Nine Elms, basically next-door to Clapham Junction which must have made that area back then even more crazier than it is now.


The original 1838 Station









And an old picture of London Waterloo - presumably more approach tracks were added after this photo because its at least 8 tracks wide by this bridge today.
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Old June 30th, 2006, 03:00 AM   #674
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Give or take the location of the original Nine Elms L&SWR terminus, plus the original LB&SCR terminus at Pimlico, which existed before the line was extended across the Thames to Victoria.

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Tubeman, does London Metro have any hidden stations which is closed to the public? I think there must be some there because London Metro is a large system.
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Old June 30th, 2006, 05:12 AM   #676
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Ooh, I hope the Bank extension westward goes into fruition
yes....go to CX, I mean there are already 2 platforms there waiting to be used and have a stop at City Thameslink
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Old June 30th, 2006, 12:46 PM   #677
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Tubeman, does London Metro have any hidden stations which is closed to the public? I think there must be some there because London Metro is a large system.
Probably the best source for closed stations on the London Underground, numbering a whopping 40 stations (thats more than most underground railway networks):

http://underground-history.co.uk/front.php


The number of total heavy rail stations that have been closed in and around London is uncertain - possibly 300+ stations?
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Old June 30th, 2006, 01:00 PM   #678
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@ Tubeman

How many rail lines (commuter...including EuroStar, subway/metro/underground, mono-rail, freight, etc.) does Greater London have (used/un-used).

Thanks.
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Old July 1st, 2006, 10:48 PM   #679
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Still about numbering the lines: as proposed also by Tubeman, why not rename one branch of the Northern line (Southern?) and the Edgware Road-Wimbledon service of the District (if this is not going to change)?

(even if I still prefer numbers)
I'd like that too, because in reality the two branches of the Northern line really are seperate, as is the Wimbleware branch. It's not even on the line map!

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All I know is that stage 2 capacity enhancements include the remodelling of the junction North of West India Quay. This involves building more grade seperation links to remove the conflict between trains from Stratford and Bank towards Canary Wharf. I assume any route via the Eastern end of the estate would mean that trains from Stratford would no longer go via the main Canary Wharf station. Either this line would be a dead end with one station or it would go South over the docks and join the main line again North of Cross harbour allowing easy interchange between Bank-Lewisham and Stratford-Stratford trains. The Isle of Dogs would then have its own little loop railway like Chicago! Sort of.
Wow, that'd be pretty strange. I guess there isn't much Stratford-bound Canary Wharfers, and vice versa?
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Old July 6th, 2006, 12:57 PM   #680
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How many rail lines (commuter...including EuroStar, subway/metro/underground, mono-rail, freight, etc.) does Greater London have (used/un-used).

Thanks.
*Apologises, have been away for a week*

Do you mean in terms of Km, or in terms of different lines / companies?
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