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Old November 14th, 2006, 06:32 PM   #961
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Why are those nice little displays on the Uxbridge line simply saying "Metropolitan and Piccadilly trains", and not telling you how many more minutes it will be until the next train arrives? It seems to work along other stations of both the Met and the Pic, so I'm not sure why it wouldn't work around here?
Train Descriptions ('TDs') which give rise to the information on the dot matrices depend on the signal track circuits I just mentioned. When an approaching train enters a section, for example 5 minutes from where you are, its destination and the fact its 5 minutes away is transmitted to the dot matrix on your platform.

The trouble with Uxbridge is that no-one waiting there cares when the next arrival is, as its the terminus, they only care about departures. Therefore you could be told that a train is 5 minutes away if you really want, but the information is pointless as it gives you no idea when that train will subsequently depart.

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Old November 14th, 2006, 06:46 PM   #962
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i know this is getting off topic but are you going to see the New 007 movie Casino Royale and if you did can you tell me how was it like and if i should go see it and who was better Pirece Bronson or Daniel Creig?

another thing ummm what is your Favortie Station in london Underground and National Rail?

also what is the Overground and what will it do to london?

and have you rode on the Crydon Tramlink and what you think of the expansions and how is it like?
No I haven't seen Casino Royale, and the best Bond was Roger Moore!

My favourite station is where I work, Earl's Court:



The 'Overground' is just a re-branding of the Silverlink metro mainline rail franchise which runs a collection of orbital lines around London (North London Line, West London Line, GOBLIN [Gospel Oak to Barking]). Transport for London (TFL) have assumed control of the franchise and will amalgamate the network with the East London Line once extended. They are looking to provide more trains, more frequent services, and new service patterns. Once the East London Line extension opens in 2010 there will be an unbroken 'Outer Circle' of mainline tracks encircling Inner London such that we could see 2 Circle Lines (the current LUL one and an outer 'Overground' one).

Yes I have been on the Croydon Tramlink, its an interesting concept. Most of its route miles are built on abandoned mainline track beds, switching to street running through the town centre of Croydon. Its far faster and more frequent than the mainline service it replaced (West Croydon to Wimbledon), and provides many other destinations besides this route, including the sizeable town of New Addington with its first ever mass transit / rail link. There's plenty of scope for expansion, I believe a link to the other major town centre on the southern edge of London (Sutton) is on the cards.
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Old November 14th, 2006, 07:51 PM   #963
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By Uxbridge line I meant the stations from Uxbridge to Rayners Lane by the way. The displays are up at Ruislip, Ruislip Gardens, Eastcote and I think Rayners Lane as well.
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Old November 14th, 2006, 11:11 PM   #964
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By Uxbridge line I meant the stations from Uxbridge to Rayners Lane by the way. The displays are up at Ruislip, Ruislip Gardens, Eastcote and I think Rayners Lane as well.
Oh ok I thought you were talking about only Uxbridge... In that case I don't know. Have they never shown destinations / waiting times? It seems a bit odd that dot matrices would have been installed if there wasn't the data to display on them.
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Old November 15th, 2006, 01:45 AM   #965
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Earl Court seems busy is it a Underground station or also the National Rail?
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Old November 15th, 2006, 07:24 PM   #966
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Earl Court seems busy is it a Underground station or also the National Rail?
Just London Underground: 4 District Line platforms upstairs (pictured) and 2 Piccadilly Line platforms downstairs. Well over 100 trains per hour pass through the station during the peaks:

Olympia <> High Street Kensington: 4 tph each way
Edgware Road <> Wimbledon: 8 tph each way
Wimbledon <> Upminster: 8 tph each way
Richmond <> Upminster: 8 tph each way
Ealing Broadway <> Tower Hill: 8 tph each way
Piccadilly Line: 25 tph each way

Mainline trains did terminate here for a time (The London & North-western railway used to run an Earl's Court to Willesden Junction service) and main line freight workings used to pass through en route to the goods yard at High Street Kensington.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 09:29 AM   #967
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Keeping this great thread going...

I was in London twice in the last couple of weeks, and yesterday I had to use the DLR to get to City Airport. Now, I know why the underground is such a bumpy ride, hell, it's an old system and I can forgive it. But why is the DLR so bumpy? Even the brand new route to City Aiprort rattles around like it's making a milkshake.
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Old November 16th, 2006, 12:55 PM   #968
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^ i always thought the same thing, some parts it throws people around...
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Old November 17th, 2006, 06:12 PM   #969
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Keeping this great thread going...

I was in London twice in the last couple of weeks, and yesterday I had to use the DLR to get to City Airport. Now, I know why the underground is such a bumpy ride, hell, it's an old system and I can forgive it. But why is the DLR so bumpy? Even the brand new route to City Aiprort rattles around like it's making a milkshake.
Its quite cheaply engineered, lots of steep gradients and very tight radius curves, plus the trains hare around at a fair old speed. Its also probably not helped by the fact that rails are embedded in concrete as opposed to sleepers resting on ballast, so there's less 'give'.
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Old November 17th, 2006, 06:38 PM   #970
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Hi Tubeman, what was the vandalism which occured on the Central line yesterday? I have looked online and cant find anything, just interested to see what it was and whats been done to stop it from happening again?
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Old November 18th, 2006, 01:42 PM   #971
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Tubeman...

Recently the Northern and Jubilee lines have had new stock. However no allowance has been made for the fact human beings, on average, have gotten taller (and wider!) since the underground's inception.

Do you invisage the introduction of trains with smaller wheels and thus lower floors or the rebuilding on some lines entirely within say the next 50 years? I do recall that part of what is now the northern line had its tunnel rings replaced (donkeys ago) to accomodate bigger trains in the new combined south london and city railway... therefore it seems that technically bigger trains could run on the tube lines. (i mean its joke when you look at how much height space they have in NY, Paris or Tokyo).
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Old November 18th, 2006, 02:41 PM   #972
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Old November 18th, 2006, 11:37 PM   #973
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Old November 18th, 2006, 11:38 PM   #974
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Hi Tubeman, what was the vandalism which occured on the Central line yesterday? I have looked online and cant find anything, just interested to see what it was and whats been done to stop it from happening again?
Not too sure... I had a driving trip day before yesterday and I had to non-stop Mile End whilst the Central Line was suspended due to a London Fire Brigade investigation... May have been a spot of arson or something?
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Old November 18th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #975
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Recently the Northern and Jubilee lines have had new stock. However no allowance has been made for the fact human beings, on average, have gotten taller (and wider!) since the underground's inception.

Do you invisage the introduction of trains with smaller wheels and thus lower floors or the rebuilding on some lines entirely within say the next 50 years? I do recall that part of what is now the northern line had its tunnel rings replaced (donkeys ago) to accomodate bigger trains in the new combined south london and city railway... therefore it seems that technically bigger trains could run on the tube lines. (i mean its joke when you look at how much height space they have in NY, Paris or Tokyo).
Ideally Tube tunnels would be large enough to accommodate full-height trains with an emergency walkway alongside the train, but these weren't considerations 100 years ago. The 'Space Train' (smaller wheels = lower floors = taller carriages) concept could work, but all of the motor and other equipment located below the floor would need to be greatly miniaturised to allow this, plus platforms would need to be lowered so its not a cheap option.

The original section of the City & South London railway was indeed closed for 2 years and expanded in diameter (1922-1924 I think) to bring it in line with the Yerkes Tube tunnels diameter, it was a lengthy process of expanding each ring section by excavating around it and inserting and additional section, you can see why it took 2 years.

The way I see it, although not ideal, the dimensions of the Tube tunnels have served a purpose well for over 100 years, and are a marvel of space-efficiency. of course if a line were built from scratch today no-one would think for a second of building such small tunnels, but that's the benefit of hindsight.

I very much doubt any of the present 'Tubes' will ever be expanded in diameter, the cost both financially and in terms of disruption would be simply unimaginable.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 02:20 AM   #976
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i would like to see the Northern Line extended east from Kennington to Lewisham, calling at:
Peckham Rye -> Camberwell -> New Cross (with links to New Cross Gate) -> Lewisham
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Old November 20th, 2006, 09:49 PM   #977
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Tubeman, are Arsenal still in the title race?
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Old November 20th, 2006, 11:40 PM   #978
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i would like to see the Northern Line extended east from Kennington to Lewisham, calling at:
Peckham Rye -> Camberwell -> New Cross (with links to New Cross Gate) -> Lewisham
I'd have thought Camberwell would come before Peckham Rye, unless there was a torturous s-bend.

Personally, I feel the Camberwell / Peckham area would be better served by an extension of the Bakerloo Line from Elephant & Castle, calling at Walworth Road (at the junction with East Street Market), Camberwell (on the north side of the green) and then Peckham Rye. It could conceiveably continue South-eastwards towards Nunhead, Brockley, Lewisham, Hither Green and Grove Park and then take over the Bromley North branch from Network Rail, giving Bromley a Tube service and taking over a peripheral backwater from the Southeastern franchise.

Alternatively it could continue east from Peckham Rye to Nunhead, then taking over the line calling at Crofton park, Catford, Bellingham, Beckenham Hill and Ravensbourne, an interchange at Shortlands before diving into a tunnel under central Bromley, rising at Bromley North to take over the Bromley North branch and terminating at Grove Park

My vision of a Northern Line extension from Kennington involves a splitting of the line into two parts: Mordern > High Barnet / Mill Hill East via Bank and then Edgware to Kennington via Charing Cross then continuing south as follows:

Kennington > Angell Town* > Brixton > Brixton Hill* > Streatham Hill > Streatham > Norbury > Thornton Heath Pond* > West Croydon > East Croydon

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...then possibly south to Purley then taking over the Caterham and / or Tattenham Corner branches from Network Rail

The line basically follows the A23 road across South London, it would provide a wealth of interchanges with existing NR routes and provide an important link between major centres of South London.
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Old November 20th, 2006, 11:48 PM   #979
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I like to think so... We overcame a bigger points defeceit in 1997/98 to win the title... We have not played badly once this season (except perhaps Manchester City away) and have already disposed of supposedly unstoppable Manchester United away. I'll tell you for sure after Che$ki and Manure play next weekend and we play Chel$ki in a couple of weeks... I'm hoping for Che$ki to beat manure and then we beat Chel$ki to close the gap to 10 points and us with a game in hand... a potential and not unsurmountable 7 point difference with Man Utd yet to visit Emirates... If we win that like we won at Old Trafford we could be talking about only a 4 point gap.
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Old November 21st, 2006, 05:45 AM   #980
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i think london has many diverse Transportation modes is it like tokyo in that its very diverse in a way

i heared now that they changed the Channel Tunnel Rail Link to High Speed 1

do you think that there will be High Speed Rail in the UK outside of High Speed 1 Uk will be like Europe and Asia awsome
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