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Old May 9th, 2007, 06:51 PM   #1401
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Yes, it's Tottenham Hale overground station, the tube station is underground.
It is a stop of the shuttle to Stanstead airport: I pass true there last month, but I didn't notice these round porthole windows. Cool
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Old May 9th, 2007, 07:09 PM   #1402
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Yes, it's Tottenham Hale overground station, the tube station is underground.

Also Tubeman, I asked a question earlier and I think you must of missed it...

"I've heard about the Central line ATO, and apparently they drive it manually once overground as ATO can overshoot the platforms? Surely this defeats the whole purpose as the higher frequencies when it's underground will have to be reduced once overground? Or is this counter-acted by the fact that the branches split very near the underground sections, or do they reverse trains early?"

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No, the Central Line is 100% ATO. It was initially manual overground, but now that the technology has been proved the ATO can cope with all railhead conditions (i.e. ice, drizzle, leaf fall) its all ATO all of the time. I think it was manual on Sundays for a while, so drivers kept their 'hands in' in case the ATO trial was deemed a disaster!
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Old May 9th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #1403
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No, the Central Line is 100% ATO. It was initially manual overground, but now that the technology has been proved the ATO can cope with all railhead conditions (i.e. ice, drizzle, leaf fall) its all ATO all of the time. I think it was manual on Sundays for a while, so drivers kept their 'hands in' in case the ATO trial was deemed a disaster!
Do you think that they should always drive on Sundays, just so the drivers never "forget" if something were to go wrong?
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Old May 9th, 2007, 08:35 PM   #1404
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Hi Tubeman, What are the chances of the tube (e.g Victoria Line) extending to the tottenham area? Cheers
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Old May 9th, 2007, 10:40 PM   #1405
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Hi Tubeman, What are the chances of the tube (e.g Victoria Line) extending to the tottenham area? Cheers
Ehm, it's in the Tottenham area? Seven Sisters and Tottenham Hale aren't Tottenham anymore?
If it's extended, it'd be towards Leytonstone as originally planned I think, but the line is already so overcrowded that it simply can't take more passengers.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 12:32 AM   #1406
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Hi Tubeman, What are the chances of the tube (e.g Victoria Line) extending to the tottenham area? Cheers
Victoria Line to Northumberland Park

More recent documents online from Haringey council indicate that the idea is pretty dead though with it being removed from their plans.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 05:00 AM   #1407
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Ehm, it's in the Tottenham area? Seven Sisters and Tottenham Hale aren't Tottenham anymore?
If it's extended, it'd be towards Leytonstone as originally planned I think, but the line is already so overcrowded that it simply can't take more passengers.
Tottenham is a big area - He's talking about the proposed extension to Northumberland Park (close to Tottenham Hotspur football club) - in North Tottenham.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 11:41 AM   #1408
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Do you think that they should always drive on Sundays, just so the drivers never "forget" if something were to go wrong?
Probably more trouble than its worth... The trouble with ATO is drivers get too used to entering platforms at very high speed and so don't drive defensively enough manually, we've had problems with drivers from ATO lines when they transfer to manual lines before (e.g. over-running platfoms, signals passed at danger). When the 'codes are lost' and an ATO line has to revert to manual, its only at limited speed anyway, so the risk of inexperienced drivers is largely mitigated.
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Old May 10th, 2007, 11:42 AM   #1409
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Hi Tubeman, What are the chances of the tube (e.g Victoria Line) extending to the tottenham area? Cheers
Assuming you mean Northumberland Park, I think your question has already been answered by Acemcbuller.

Obviously the Victoria Line already serves much of Tottenham...
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Old May 11th, 2007, 08:26 PM   #1410
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Tubeman, why do many stations have that awful strip lighting? And are there any plans to get rid of it? Also, are the windows on the tube shatter-proof?
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Old May 11th, 2007, 10:44 PM   #1411
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Hey tubeman, from the other thread which tube station is this?




Also in the thread its got this station (pic below) down as arnos grove in properties, which it isnt. looks like southgate to me. But could be a similar station like bounds green, but ive never come out at that station so im not sure..

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Old May 11th, 2007, 11:10 PM   #1412
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The top one is Southwark.

The bottom could be maybe... St John's Wood or Swiss Cottage?
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The station in the bottom picture looks quite similar, actually identical, to those found in Moscow.
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Old May 12th, 2007, 02:48 AM   #1414
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The station in the bottom picture looks quite similar, actually identical, to those found in Moscow.
It's definately in London, there are a few Charles Holden art deco designed stations that look quite similar to Moscow Metro stations (albeit nowhere near as grand) he claimed he was "inspired" by Moscow's system. The picture is enhanced in some way though.
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Old May 12th, 2007, 12:59 PM   #1415
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Tubeman, why do many stations have that awful strip lighting? And are there any plans to get rid of it? Also, are the windows on the tube shatter-proof?
I don't really know what a suitable replacement for fluorescent strip lighting is... 'normal' bulbs probably give out too much heat. Moves have been made to make the colour exuded by strip bulbs more realistic (i.e. more like natural daylight), so stations are now more white than orangey.

All glass on Tube stock is safety glass, i.e. it shatters into tiny cubes of glass which isn't as sharp as shards of normal glass.

Some glass is missile proof, i.e. there is a layer of plastic sandwiched between two layers of safety glass... The glass surrounding the driver's cabs is generally missile proof, although I don't know if its necessary on the Victoria Line which has no overground sections.
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Old May 12th, 2007, 01:01 PM   #1416
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Hey tubeman, from the other thread which tube station is this?
Certainly not Arnos Grove as labelled... I think its either one of the 1930's vintage Jubilee Line stations (St John's Wood or Swiss Cottage), or one of the stations between Leytonstone and Newbury park on the Central Line... Gants Hill rings a bell.
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On second thoughts, this is Gants Hill:



You can see from the bank of escalators at the far end its not the same station (assuming there is only one bank there, I've never been there).
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Old May 12th, 2007, 01:06 PM   #1418
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Looks like Swiss Cottage on further Googling:





...Although that being said the 'Way Out' sign in the second photo should be visible then?
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...St Johns Wood is almost identical too...
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yh think its southgate

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