daily menu » rate the banner | guess the city | one on oneforums map | privacy policy | DMCA | news magazine | posting guidelines

Go Back   SkyscraperCity > Infrastructure and Mobility Forums > Subways and Urban Transport

Subways and Urban Transport Metros, subways, light rail, trams, buses and other local transport systems



Global Announcement

As a general reminder, please respect others and respect copyrights. Go here to familiarize yourself with our posting policy.


Reply

 
Thread Tools
Old May 12th, 2007, 05:24 PM   #1421
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271


That's the one... No 'way out' roundels at the bottom of the escalators



Stop after Arnos Grove, too
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links
Old May 12th, 2007, 08:19 PM   #1422
iampuking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,414
Likes (Received): 43

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tubeman View Post
I don't really know what a suitable replacement for fluorescent strip lighting is... 'normal' bulbs probably give out too much heat. Moves have been made to make the colour exuded by strip bulbs more realistic (i.e. more like natural daylight), so stations are now more white than orangey.
Why do they want it more daylightish? I think orangey colour gives it more atmosphere. But it depends on the station I guess. Are the Victoria line's stations going to be refurbished anytime soon? Some of them are incredibly shabby.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tubeman
All glass on Tube stock is safety glass, i.e. it shatters into tiny cubes of glass which isn't as sharp as shards of normal glass.

Some glass is missile proof, i.e. there is a layer of plastic sandwiched between two layers of safety glass... The glass surrounding the driver's cabs is generally missile proof, although I don't know if its necessary on the Victoria Line which has no overground sections.
Missile proof?!? What sort of missile?
iampuking no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2007, 09:28 PM   #1423
Justme
Gotta lite?
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Manchester (Forecast: Rain)
Posts: 4,952
Likes (Received): 780

Quote:
Originally Posted by iampuking View Post
Missile proof?!? What sort of missile?
"Missile" is a police term in the UK for any purposely flung flying object. A bottle of beer thrown at the train would, according to UK Police, be described as a missile.

Police in UK, Australia and NZ have their own language which is quite separate from reality. Another example is, a normal person may say "The man pulled out a gun", where as the police would say, "The perpetrator/suspect produced a firearm". Which always make me think they must be very good at high speed manufacturing. ;O)
__________________
I'm doing my bit to save bandwidth by deleting my signature
Justme no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2007, 09:55 PM   #1424
CharlieP
Tax avoider
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Nottingham
Posts: 23,762
Likes (Received): 1980

Quote:
Originally Posted by Justme View Post
"Missile" is a police term in the UK for any purposely flung flying object. A bottle of beer thrown at the train would, according to UK Police, be described as a missile.

Police in UK, Australia and NZ have their own language which is quite separate from reality. Another example is, a normal person may say "The man pulled out a gun", where as the police would say, "The perpetrator/suspect produced a firearm". Which always make me think they must be very good at high speed manufacturing. ;O)
Er, no, the police are just using language correctly - a missile is just something thrown or propelled.
__________________
This signature is socialist and un-American.
CharlieP no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 12th, 2007, 11:12 PM   #1425
Justme
Gotta lite?
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: Manchester (Forecast: Rain)
Posts: 4,952
Likes (Received): 780

Quote:
Originally Posted by CharlieP View Post
Er, no, the police are just using language correctly - a missile is just something thrown or propelled.
Year, but it's not used in everyday speach that way. If someone through a paper cup in your face, would you describe it as a paper cup or a missile?
__________________
I'm doing my bit to save bandwidth by deleting my signature
Justme no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 01:41 AM   #1426
iampuking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,414
Likes (Received): 43

Quote:
Originally Posted by Justme View Post
"Missile" is a police term in the UK for any purposely flung flying object. A bottle of beer thrown at the train would, according to UK Police, be described as a missile.

Police in UK, Australia and NZ have their own language which is quite separate from reality. Another example is, a normal person may say "The man pulled out a gun", where as the police would say, "The perpetrator/suspect produced a firearm". Which always make me think they must be very good at high speed manufacturing. ;O)
Thanks! Police speech is funny it's like "We are pursuing lines of enquiry." It's so official
iampuking no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 02:29 AM   #1427
Songoten2554
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Miami Florida
Posts: 1,063
Likes (Received): 87

Tubeman are you going to see the next harry potter film since after that two more films to go

are they filming on King Cross station now? and what happens during the days of filming what happens to King Cross does it still stays open???

how is the CTRL looking now i hear that their finished with alot of things and now going to testing is their any videos or pictures of the completion and Eurostar running on the CTRL section 2 anybody has it??
Songoten2554 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 04:24 AM   #1428
iampuking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,414
Likes (Received): 43

There's a new roof, actually I think it's just been repainted, but it looks great!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inshed2007.jpg

More questions Tubeman, sorry:

-What do you think the Piccadilly and Bakerloo line replacement stocks will be like?

-I heard that the Central line has shorter carriages than other lines because of tight curves, doesn't this mean the carriages can be wider?
iampuking no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 05:08 PM   #1429
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by iampuking View Post
Why do they want it more daylightish? I think orangey colour gives it more atmosphere. But it depends on the station I guess. Are the Victoria line's stations going to be refurbished anytime soon? Some of them are incredibly shabby.
Do you think? They look ok to me... Which station in particular?

Quote:
Originally Posted by iampuking
Missile proof?!? What sort of missile?
You know... Cruise, Scuds, that sort of thing

Along some sections of the Underground network trains run the gauntlet of all manner of missiles during school holidays. The worst section is Barking to Upminster on the District Line: bricks, rocks, bottles, airgun pellets, scaffold poles, stolen scooters... I've seen them all thrown / shot at my train in the past. Another favourite trick is hanging objects off footbridges at cab height, the parallel C2C mainline often gets objects strung off the overhead wires (e.g. a brick hung by fishing line).
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 05:16 PM   #1430
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by Songoten2554 View Post
Tubeman are you going to see the next harry potter film since after that two more films to go

are they filming on King Cross station now? and what happens during the days of filming what happens to King Cross does it still stays open???

how is the CTRL looking now i hear that their finished with alot of things and now going to testing is their any videos or pictures of the completion and Eurostar running on the CTRL section 2 anybody has it??
Hmmm I think I'm a little old for Harry Potter

The CTRL is being tested now, I saw a great image of a Eurostar train in the new St Pancras terminal, but I can't find it anywhere
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 05:31 PM   #1431
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by iampuking View Post
There's a new roof, actually I think it's just been repainted, but it looks great!

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...inshed2007.jpg

More questions Tubeman, sorry:

-What do you think the Piccadilly and Bakerloo line replacement stocks will be like?

-I heard that the Central line has shorter carriages than other lines because of tight curves, doesn't this mean the carriages can be wider?
The Piccadilly and Bakerloo Line stocks will, as I understand it, look identical to the Victoria Line 'Movia' stock whose prototype has just been delivered to the line this week. I assume that a few minor changes will be made by the time the other lines get the 'Movias' though.

The Central Line carriages are of a standard length... Underground cars come in two lengths, an older shorter length and a newer longer length.

The A, C, 67, 72 and 92 stocks have shorter cars whilst the D, 73, 95 and 96 stocks have longer. You can appreciate this somewhere like Wimbledon where you'll see a C and a D stock standing alongside each other, the cab of the C stock is level with the end of the first car of D stock, i.e. 6 cars C stock = 5 cars D stock.

When the 1962 stocks were replaced with the 1992 on the Central Line, it was decided to keep the cars the same shorter length due to some of the tight radius curves... so the trains were the same length (8 short cars), which is also the same as the Victoria and Metropolitan Lines. Having an even number of cars in a train is also more useful operationally. So this is probably what you heard: unusually for a 'new' train, the 92 stock have the old 'short' standard car length, but this is still shared by all trains built before 1973.

Technically it might allow slightly wider carriages, but in reality it made no difference as the 92 stock has the same number of cars, the same length, as the 1962 stock it replaced.
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 05:40 PM   #1432
iampuking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,414
Likes (Received): 43

Thanks for that Tubeman.

Surely they can't use the 2009 Stock for the Bakerloo and Victoria as the Victoria line has larger tunnels and the trains can't actually fit in the Piccadilly tunnels? Also, it would be ridiculous because of the small windows, the Piccadilly has long stretches overground!
iampuking no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 07:30 PM   #1433
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by iampuking View Post
Thanks for that Tubeman.

Surely they can't use the 2009 Stock for the Bakerloo and Victoria as the Victoria line has larger tunnels and the trains can't actually fit in the Piccadilly tunnels? Also, it would be ridiculous because of the small windows, the Piccadilly has long stretches overground!
The tunnels are slightly larger but the trains aren't, so that won't be an issue.

The windows of the 'Movia' stock are pretty similar in size to the '95 and '96 stock windows as it happens. These came about due to poor customer feedback over the 'hall of mirrors' effect of the 1992 stock, which is bollocks if you ask me. Sure people might have said it looked a bit odd going through the tunnels looking at a reflection with a 3 foot high forehead, but if they knew the alternative was tiny windows I'm sure most people would happily put up with it if it meant more to look at above ground.
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 10:34 PM   #1434
iampuking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,414
Likes (Received): 43

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tubeman View Post
The tunnels are slightly larger but the trains aren't, so that won't be an issue.

The windows of the 'Movia' stock are pretty similar in size to the '95 and '96 stock windows as it happens. These came about due to poor customer feedback over the 'hall of mirrors' effect of the 1992 stock, which is bollocks if you ask me. Sure people might have said it looked a bit odd going through the tunnels looking at a reflection with a 3 foot high forehead, but if they knew the alternative was tiny windows I'm sure most people would happily put up with it if it meant more to look at above ground.
According to Wikipedia the 09TS will only be able to be delivered by road, doesn't this imply that it can't use the Piccadilly line tunnels via the crossover at Finsbury Park? "Unlike the 1967 stock, the trains will be built to take advantage of the Victoria Line's unusually large loading gauge. This will prevent them leaving the line except by road, however."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...und_2005_Stock
iampuking no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 10:39 PM   #1435
Martin S
Registered User
 
Martin S's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 10,227
Likes (Received): 3153

Tubeman,
Why do some of the older trains on the Underground have brake pressure gauges under the seats? Why as a passenger do I need to know that?
__________________
Martin S no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 13th, 2007, 11:18 PM   #1436
Songoten2554
Registered User
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Miami Florida
Posts: 1,063
Likes (Received): 87

sorry tubeman for bothering but i been wondering about something

what happens during the days of filming when they film in king cross? what happens to King Cross does it still stays open??? just curious
Songoten2554 no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 14th, 2007, 12:25 AM   #1437
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by iampuking View Post
According to Wikipedia the 09TS will only be able to be delivered by road, doesn't this imply that it can't use the Piccadilly line tunnels via the crossover at Finsbury Park? "Unlike the 1967 stock, the trains will be built to take advantage of the Victoria Line's unusually large loading gauge. This will prevent them leaving the line except by road, however."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_...und_2005_Stock
I stand corrected!

Odd, I thought the bodies were going to be the same for the Bakerloo and Picc stocks, saving money.
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 14th, 2007, 12:30 AM   #1438
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin S View Post
Tubeman,
Why do some of the older trains on the Underground have brake pressure gauges under the seats? Why as a passenger do I need to know that?
If a train has brakes 'hanging on' the train technician needs to be able to identify in which car, hence the gauges. Newer stocks (i.e. post-1973) have a unit in the cab which can tell the driver which car has brakes hanging on, but 1972 stock and older do not.

Regardless, all stocks seem to have a brake gauge per car... They play a part in handling air burst defects I think... They're otherwise pretty pointless on newer stocks as far as I can see.
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 14th, 2007, 12:32 AM   #1439
Tubeman
Jubilation
 
Tubeman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: London SE15
Posts: 18,973
Likes (Received): 3271

Quote:
Originally Posted by Songoten2554 View Post
sorry tubeman for bothering but i been wondering about something

what happens during the days of filming when they film in king cross? what happens to King Cross does it still stays open??? just curious
Pass... In terms of Harry Potter all they'd need is the run of one of the platforms, if they choose a Sunday this shouldn't have any operational impact. They certainly wouldn't get away with shutting the entire station down.
Tubeman no está en línea   Reply With Quote
Old May 14th, 2007, 01:36 AM   #1440
iampuking
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 2,414
Likes (Received): 43

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tubeman View Post
I stand corrected!

Odd, I thought the bodies were going to be the same for the Bakerloo and Picc stocks, saving money.
It's good news IMO. It means the companies will be forced to make a new design...
iampuking no está en línea   Reply With Quote


Reply

Tags
london, railways, tube

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Related topics on SkyscraperCity


All times are GMT +2. The time now is 01:20 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2018, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

vBulletin Optimisation provided by vB Optimise (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.

SkyscraperCity ☆ In Urbanity We trust ☆ about us | privacy policy | DMCA policy

tech management by Sysprosium