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Old December 5th, 2005, 11:46 PM   #141
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Having just been enjoying the DLR between Greenwich and Canary Wharf, is there any chance of more services being offered. Some trains are 1 minute apart and others are 3 to 4 minutes apart during rush hour, and they can be rather cramped. Why can't they offer a regular service of every minute during rush hour?
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Old December 6th, 2005, 11:11 AM   #142
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Having just been enjoying the DLR between Greenwich and Canary Wharf, is there any chance of more services being offered. Some trains are 1 minute apart and others are 3 to 4 minutes apart during rush hour, and they can be rather cramped. Why can't they offer a regular service of every minute during rush hour?
I can only assume there are bottlenecks on the DLR as there are 3 Eastern branches feeding into The City plus the Stratford service. The core section of the line is being expanded to cater for 3-unit (i.e. 6 car) trains, I think all of the more recent branches already have platforms long enough for 6 cars.

With the likely Stratford International branch and the u/c extension to Woolwich it will only get busier and more complex.
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Old December 6th, 2005, 11:17 PM   #143
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I can only assume there are bottlenecks on the DLR as there are 3 Eastern branches feeding into The City plus the Stratford service. The core section of the line is being expanded to cater for 3-unit (i.e. 6 car) trains, I think all of the more recent branches already have platforms long enough for 6 cars.

With the likely Stratford International branch and the u/c extension to Woolwich it will only get busier and more complex.
Would this include the run from Cutty Sark & Greenwich to Canary Wharf and Bank? This has some underground stations which would be very expensive to expand.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 12:29 AM   #144
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Why is the "line" in the names of the various lines always in lower case (for example Circle line, never Circle Line)?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 01:02 AM   #145
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Why is the "line" in the names of the various lines always in lower case (for example Circle line, never Circle Line)?
I would guess that it's correct English.

The name has the capital. "Circle line" would be equivilant to say "Bob's house", or "Frankfurt city"
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Old December 7th, 2005, 01:03 AM   #146
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I found a map of the extended DLR network and it shows the various lines:


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Old December 7th, 2005, 01:11 AM   #147
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The only part of the Inner London Sub-surface network that was ever quadruple was between High Street Kensington and South Kensington where the District and Metropolitan had separate routes.
Inner London Sub-surface network is the circle routes?

The Metropolitan has 4 tracks up north(in some parts at least north of wembley park) doesn't it? Enabling the Fast/Semi-Fast and Slow services.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 03:29 AM   #148
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yes. On a related note, why does the picc have 4 pics for only like 2 stations on the heathrow line? Were they planning to expand these and just never got around to it?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 11:42 AM   #149
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I found a map of the extended DLR network and it shows the various lines:


Was the sticker for the Woolwich Arsenal extension added to show it under construction where it wasn't on the map before, or to conceal the "completed" version of the map, do you think?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 01:17 PM   #150
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In the loosist possible way of using this term, for a non train spotter as such is this book

"The Subterranean Railway: How the London Underground Was Built and How It Changed the City Forever"

any good?

i have been living in london for the past 3 months and getting the tube every day jus amazes me!im sure it has some facinating secrets and im wanting to find out a little more about its history, noticed this book and wandered if ne one here has read it?

i get the picalilly line evry day and went on the circle line y day. it was weird, reminded me more of a new yourk subway than the tube. there was more station space and the carriages were much bigger, im guessing this was a more modern line and the pic line was an early line. so there fore smaller? and also when was the most recent line built other than the dlr and jubillee extension?

will that book answert these kinds of questions?

maybe some 1 here knows?

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Old December 7th, 2005, 01:21 PM   #151
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Was the sticker for the Woolwich Arsenal extension added to show it under construction where it wasn't on the map before, or to conceal the "completed" version of the map, do you think?
Usually they put such stickers to conceal the completed version of the map. Why put a sticker to show an uncompleted version?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 05:46 PM   #152
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and also when was the most recent line built other than the dlr and jubillee extension?
Before the Jubilee Line Extension (opened in 2000), working backwards the other projects were DLR extension to Lewisham (1999), extension to Beckton (opened 1994), extension to Bank (opened 1991) and then the original DLR route (1987). Then we have Heathrow Terminal 4 loop (1986), original Jubilee line (1979), Victoria line (1968), Piccadilly and Bakerloo (1906), Central (1900), Waterloo & City (1898), Northern (1890), Circle (1884), East London (1869), District (1868), Metrpolitan (and parts of which became the Hammermsith & City in 1990) (1863)
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Old December 7th, 2005, 05:59 PM   #153
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Before the Jubilee Line Extension (opened in 2000), working backwards the other projects were DLR extension to Lewisham (1999), extension to Beckton (opened 1994), extension to Bank (opened 1991) and then the original DLR route (1987). Then we have Heathrow Terminal 4 loop (1986), original Jubilee line (1979), Victoria line (1968), Piccadilly and Bakerloo (1906), Central (1900), Waterloo & City (1898), Northern (1890), Circle (1884), East London (1869), District (1868), Metrpolitan (and parts of which became the Hammermsith & City in 1990) (1863)

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well thanx for that!

why is the Piccadilly line smaller than the the circle line then?(not in distance) i mean the trains and tunnel?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 07:17 PM   #154
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What was the former name of Covent Garden station?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 08:05 PM   #155
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why is the Piccadilly line smaller than the the circle line then?(not in distance) i mean the trains and tunnel?
Because the Circle line is a cut and cover where they just dug up the road and then re-covered it over after building the underground line. So they are much bigger tunnels than the deeper 'tube' lines.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 08:18 PM   #156
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Was the sticker for the Woolwich Arsenal extension added to show it under construction where it wasn't on the map before, or to conceal the "completed" version of the map, do you think?
The plan is to take the sticker of when it is built, under the sticker is the green line (open for business).
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Old December 7th, 2005, 11:15 PM   #157
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Would this include the run from Cutty Sark & Greenwich to Canary Wharf and Bank? This has some underground stations which would be very expensive to expand.
The capacity enhancement for the Bank to Lewisham Line requires the expansion of platforms of all the stations except, Bank, Canary Wharf and Heron Quays, which are already long enough. South Quay will be relocated further east as there are curves at both ends of the platform. Cutty Sark will require selective door opening as the underground box in which sits the station can not be expanded. The lines in the royal docks can already take 6 car trains. Once the Stratford international line is built, the only section that won't be able to take such trains will be the old Stratford - Poplar line.
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Old December 7th, 2005, 11:24 PM   #158
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Thanks Razional Plan.

Another DLR question. When is the Woolwich Arsenal extension scheduled for completion? Do you think this may help reduce the pressure on the Lewisham - Bank route, as some people who may transfer from NR to the DLR before Cutty Sark will use the new Woolwich Arsenal station and different line?
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Old December 7th, 2005, 11:43 PM   #159
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I don't know the layout of Greenwich, but West Brompton doesn't fit the mould of the others I mentioned because the Eastbound District Line is adjacent to the Southbound Main Line. Its no different to, say, Upminster or Ealing Broadway in that respect. All of the examples I mentioned have lines heading in the same direction calling at a single island platform.
Greenwich is basically the same - and Faringdon.

two sets of railways with side platforms - and it just so happens that two of the 4 platforms allow (almost) same level interchange.

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yes. On a related note, why does the picc have 4 pics for only like 2 stations on the heathrow line? Were they planning to expand these and just never got around to it?
Hi Tubeman,

I wonder is this is about the four tracking in west London?

One of these tracks is now used as a test track - the norternmost eastbound if i remember correctly - whilst the other two are used to inprove the westbound service, especially in the rush hours, when trains terminating at Northfields can detrain passengers without delaying trains for Heathrow.

What I dont know is whether (in the days when District Line trains also travelled to Hounslow) the District trains mainly used the outer pair of tracks and the Piccadilly the inner pair - as is mostly the situation betweeen Acton and Hammersmith.

Another thing, isnt a shame that the heathrow extension was built to tube train loading gauge. especially since the rest of the route is capable of taking full size trains.

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