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Old July 29th, 2007, 06:17 AM   #1701
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Don't worry iampuking, the line 1 has walkways
Were the Walkways there from day one, and were the walk ways at the underground sections as well?

I doubt that the Tube will ever be fully driverless, ask yourself this question... Would you want to be alone in a train with 10 cm from the car body and the tunnel walls after a breakdown, or in the boiling summer heat at rush hour? Well it wouldn't bother me much cause I know you're supposed to walk through the train and out the front, but it not everybody knows that!
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Old July 29th, 2007, 06:22 AM   #1702
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Yes the Central London Railway stations were all tiled in plain white tiles, so restorations / refurbishments like Queensway and Lancaster Gate are pretty faithful (if boring).

Personally, I hope that Tubelines are given the contract for the entire network, as they have done a professional and frugal job of maintaining JNP.
Yes I agree, stations like Arsenal and Swiss Cottage, St John's Wood, Warren Street, Stockwell have all been renovated very well.

Another question I have is why are so few of the Zone 1 stations being renovated? Only stations on the Central line seem to have been refurbished.

Whereas awful stations like Tottenham Court Road, King's Cross, Paddington seem to be ignored.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 01:54 PM   #1703
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Yes I agree, stations like Arsenal and Swiss Cottage, St John's Wood, Warren Street, Stockwell have all been renovated very well.

Another question I have is why are so few of the Zone 1 stations being renovated? Only stations on the Central line seem to have been refurbished.

Whereas awful stations like Tottenham Court Road, King's Cross, Paddington seem to be ignored.
King's Cross? Eh? Its being transformed beyond all recognition: new ticket halls, new passageways... the work's largely complete barring the final cosmetic touches on the Tube platforms.

TCR is due a massive overhaul: I think it was tied in with Crossrail 1 though so it might be on hold for now.

Paddington's got a nice new entrance off the concourse. Maybe the brickwork could do with a clean on the Circle / District platforms, but the Bakerloo platforms are quite a recent refurbishment (past 15 years or so).
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Old July 29th, 2007, 02:12 PM   #1704
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Victoria is going to be updated, too. I can't think of any busy stations that need to be updated and haven't got plans to have that done, really. It just takes a long, long time. Grrr Oxford Circus.
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Old July 29th, 2007, 04:46 PM   #1705
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Is it my imagination or are Bakerloo line trains smaller than all the others ?
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Old July 29th, 2007, 06:10 PM   #1706
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Victoria line uses the car bodies. I think the walls have to be thicker because the door types, and the seats also extend further out (more comfy)

To me it seems as if the Piccadilly line has the smallest carriages, but I think it's down to the dark colour scheme more than anything.


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King's Cross? Eh? Its being transformed beyond all recognition: new ticket halls, new passageways... the work's largely complete barring the final cosmetic touches on the Tube platforms.

TCR is due a massive overhaul: I think it was tied in with Crossrail 1 though so it might be on hold for now.

Paddington's got a nice new entrance off the concourse. Maybe the brickwork could do with a clean on the Circle / District platforms, but the Bakerloo platforms are quite a recent refurbishment (past 15 years or so).
They may have been refurbished recently, but whether they look good or not is what i'm arguing

Do you have any idea what the King's Cross deep tube stations will look like? I hope to god that they aren't as bland as the sub surface platforms...
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Old July 29th, 2007, 08:40 PM   #1707
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Is it my imagination or are Bakerloo line trains smaller than all the others ?
Imagination I'm afraid... the depth of the seating and seating arrangements of the various stocks probably make some feel more spacious than others.
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Old August 1st, 2007, 10:13 PM   #1708
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Hi Tubeman

I've spotted wire cages appearing at stations. At present they are empty. Any ideas what these are for?

I saw two, one at the top and one at the bottom of the escalators at Blackhorse Road. Can't remember where the others were.

Perhaps they are mini jails for people who stand on the left of escalator?

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Old August 2nd, 2007, 12:35 AM   #1709
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Hi Tubeman

I've spotted wire cages appearing at stations. At present they are empty. Any ideas what these are for?

I saw two, one at the top and one at the bottom of the escalators at Blackhorse Road. Can't remember where the others were.

Perhaps they are mini jails for people who stand on the left of escalator?

James

Yay! We could chuck fare dodgers in there too!

Hmmm not too sure without seeing them... what size are they? Do they block any of the escalators? Maybe the escalators are about to be renewed?
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 07:45 PM   #1710
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I've spotted them at Chancery Lane too.
From memory they are about a meter sqare at the base. The top slopes so that the front is maybe 1.5meters high and the back is maybe two meters high.
They are dark blue and have signs saying "Danger, Moving Parts"

Housing for fans perhaps?
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 09:06 PM   #1711
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I've spotted them at Chancery Lane too.
From memory they are about a meter sqare at the base. The top slopes so that the front is maybe 1.5meters high and the back is maybe two meters high.
They are dark blue and have signs saying "Danger, Moving Parts"

Housing for fans perhaps?
Hmmm very odd. Might be something to with the 'Connect' radio system (i.e. basestations). I passed through Chancery Lane last weekend but didn't notice anything as such.
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Old August 2nd, 2007, 10:52 PM   #1712
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Are they those "£10bn investment" TfL propaganda things?

They have them where there is an escalator refurbishment, or where any work is being done for a matter of fact.
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Old August 8th, 2007, 03:31 PM   #1713
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I've spotted wire cages appearing at stations. At present they are empty. Any ideas what these are for?

I saw two, one at the top and one at the bottom of the escalators at Blackhorse Road.
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I've spotted them at Chancery Lane too.
From memory they are about a meter sqare at the base. The top slopes so that the front is maybe 1.5meters high and the back is maybe two meters high.
They are dark blue and have signs saying "Danger, Moving Parts"
These cages are still empty. I found this press release which says that:
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Temporary portable industrial fans will be trialled at Seven Sisters and Chancery Lane stations this summer to increase air circulation and if successful will be rolled out to a number of stations in 2008.
I wonder if Seven Sisters was a misake and should have been Blackhorse Road?
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Old August 8th, 2007, 06:57 PM   #1714
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those cages were for a trial of some office fans that some bright spark thought would cool the place down. The fan's dissapeared after a fortnight, the cages remain.
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Old August 10th, 2007, 01:12 AM   #1715
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These cages are still empty. I found this press release which says that:


I wonder if Seven Sisters was a misake and should have been Blackhorse Road?
No it's correct, there's one in Seven Sisters station. Last month they had a huge fan in there trying to cool the platforms but they've been taken out and now the cages are empty.
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Old August 11th, 2007, 03:14 AM   #1716
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I have a few questions... Again... Sorry...

-Were there more uplighters on escalators before the tragic fire at King's Cross, where they were ripped out when metal escalators were installed?

-I've been reading about ATO on the central line (http://www.davros.org/rail/signallin...s/central.html) under the 'Coded Manual' bit it explains that the driver can control the train, by listening to a chime and under ATP. I was wondering what the point of allowing it was and if it would be implemented on the Jubilee/Northern ATO systems?

-Why do some sub-surface stations have rounded roofs (Baker Street) whereas others are flat? (Victoria)

Thanks in advance
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Old August 11th, 2007, 03:16 PM   #1717
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I have a few questions... Again... Sorry...

-Were there more uplighters on escalators before the tragic fire at King's Cross, where they were ripped out when metal escalators were installed?

-I've been reading about ATO on the central line (http://www.davros.org/rail/signallin...s/central.html) under the 'Coded Manual' bit it explains that the driver can control the train, by listening to a chime and under ATP. I was wondering what the point of allowing it was and if it would be implemented on the Jubilee/Northern ATO systems?

-Why do some sub-surface stations have rounded roofs (Baker Street) whereas others are flat? (Victoria)

Thanks in advance
No problem

- King's Cross... I honestly couldn't tell you

- Central ATO: There was parallel running for a time whilst the ATO was being rolled out: initially I think the line was ATO tunnel section only Mon-Sat, then it was rolled out to overground sections too, then finally it went ATO on Sundays. I don't know what prompted this cautious approach really... There may have been questions about ATO performance along overground sections (i.e. low rail adhesion through leaf fall, rain or ice), but I can't really think why it remained manual on Sundays for so long... although I suspect it was to ensure drivers 'kept their hands in' so to speak in case the ATO was deemed unfit for purpose and had to be withdrawn suddenly.

- Many District subsurface stations were originally open-air with an arched overall roof (like Notting Hill Gate) which have since had the air rights used and the stations rafted over, hence flat ceilings. The stations of the original Metropolitan Railway at Baker Street, Great Portland Street, and Euston Square were built in association with the new Euston Road and are directly under the new road, hence the brick arched roof (evidently preferred over iron beams at the time). It all depends on the local geography and engineering really.
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Old August 11th, 2007, 03:49 PM   #1718
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hopefully this won't sound like a silly question...

.are there any new tube lines or extensions planed that are big e.g. jubilee line exention etc
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Old August 12th, 2007, 12:33 AM   #1719
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"planned" and being built is another thing altogether...

And for god sakes its "extension"...
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And for god sakes its "extension"...
For God's sake it's "it's"...
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