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Old September 18th, 2007, 03:52 PM   #1821
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Acton Town - Rayners Lane - Uxbridge i already a lightly used section of the Piccadilly.
I understand that the Picc will need extra trains for Heathrow T5, but sending the District to Uxbridge seems wrong. The travel time from the Uxbridge Branch to Central London using the Piccadilly is already quite long, making many trips, even to stations like Leicester Square (on the Picc) faster via the Metropolitan. Replacing it with the District line - which would result in extra stops between Acton and Hammersmith - would make this service even more unattractive for them.

Since the Metropolitan is probably going to be running 10 tph along the Uxbridge branch, I could see TfL just cutting back the
Picc. to Rayner's entirely, provided that station can handle 6tph reversing plus 10 through-trains.
I think most people from Rayners Lane and beyond use these trains for local journeys, such as working in Hammersmith, down to Heathrow etc... and the Met for commuting to central London.

If the Park Royal Central line interchange was done, the people of Alperton and Sudbury (and all the way to Uxbridge) would have an even quicker ride to the West End - and the White City shopping centre/BBC area. Tubeman - is any progress being made on the Park Royal interchange?
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Old September 18th, 2007, 04:55 PM   #1822
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West London is terrible for interchanges, if you compare it to East London where two lines never cross without an interchange. The Central line crosses the Piccadilly three times and there is no interchange! Don't get me started on the Hammersmith & City line...
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Old September 18th, 2007, 07:49 PM   #1823
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Was on the Metropolitan line last week. I thought it was great - is it just some of the trains that are 60's? Cos the one i was on was very nice! It seemed very wide too.
All of the trains are 1960's vintage, but were refurbished in the 1990's (exterior and interior paint jobs, new seat moquette). They are also unusually wide (but only by a small margin): a throwback from the fact the Metropolitan Railway was built to GWR 7-foot broad gauge so the tunnels are wider.
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Old September 18th, 2007, 07:53 PM   #1824
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I think most people from Rayners Lane and beyond use these trains for local journeys, such as working in Hammersmith, down to Heathrow etc... and the Met for commuting to central London.

If the Park Royal Central line interchange was done, the people of Alperton and Sudbury (and all the way to Uxbridge) would have an even quicker ride to the West End - and the White City shopping centre/BBC area. Tubeman - is any progress being made on the Park Royal interchange?
Not that I'm aware of... The interchange station would be poorly sited compared to what it replaces (especially Hanger Lane), so it might be of limited benefit on balance.
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Old September 21st, 2007, 04:21 AM   #1825
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Tubeman, why did the JLE cost so much in comparision to Line 14 of the Paris Metro which was constructed around the same time?
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 02:47 AM   #1826
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Because it was built in Britain and nothing ever comes in on time and on budget if the government are even remotely involved in it.

Good example: Emirates vs Wembley

If you want to give a project the kiss of death, make it a political hot potato and get the MPs involved. The JLE was in this boat because without it opening before 31/12/99 the entire Millennium Dome would have been an utter flop (as opposed to just the partial flop we ended up with).
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 04:57 AM   #1827
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I suspected that would be the reason!

But I don't understand how the MPs can mess it up SO drastically.
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 03:37 PM   #1828
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There was a program on tv last year all about govt involvement being a disaster. The Millenium dome, North Sea Gas, the Eurofighter, the Channel Tunnel...
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 04:50 PM   #1829
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Yes, but on the other hand, St. Pancras International, the CTRL, Heathrow T5 and the DLR are all built on time and within budget.
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 06:37 PM   #1830
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On all those projects the politicians didn't involved once work had started.
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Old September 22nd, 2007, 08:25 PM   #1831
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but the dome is not a flop anymore its actually a great arena and that it has a movie threatres and all

Tubeman: a couple of questions if its alright umm for the Great Western Main line will it be eclitrified to Bristol or Reading?? i mean it could be possible

but i remember you saying it can't go all the way you are right about that but the Eltrictified tracks should extend further to Bristol or reading

i hear that the Heathrow Express goes super fast i mean i seen videos that it goes fast
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 11:03 AM   #1832
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Yes, but on the other hand, St. Pancras International, the CTRL, Heathrow T5 and the DLR are all built on time and within budget.
Exactly. This proves my point yet further: al of these projects had minimal government meddling and were a case of private industry just being allowed to get on with it by and large.

I'm not saying "we can't do big projects on time and on budget in the UK", I'm lamenting the fact that as soon as something becomes a political hot potato and MPs get involved, it normally turns into an unmitigated disaster.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 11:06 AM   #1833
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but the dome is not a flop anymore its actually a great arena and that it has a movie threatres and all

Tubeman: a couple of questions if its alright umm for the Great Western Main line will it be eclitrified to Bristol or Reading?? i mean it could be possible

but i remember you saying it can't go all the way you are right about that but the Eltrictified tracks should extend further to Bristol or reading

i hear that the Heathrow Express goes super fast i mean i seen videos that it goes fast
Its perfectly possible... The stretch which I think would pose huge problems is that between Exeter and Plymouth where the line runs feet from the sea and often gets inundated by waves during storms: 25,000v OLE and seawater don't mix!

I think the route to Bristol Temple Meads and South Wales at least should be electrified. I hate the smell of diesel in the magnificent trainshed at Paddington.
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 08:21 PM   #1834
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Tubeman: oh and why are they saying that the dome is a flop if now they converted to the O2 arena and well it looks successful now i mean a huge movie threaters a arena covention hall and that plus connected to public transport by the london underground and buses

Tubeman: the Piccadilly Line which is the third busiest tube line is there pics of this line and the new airport stations as well
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 08:29 PM   #1835
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Tubeman: which is better to go to Healthrow your experience the Heatlthrow express, the Healthrow Connect or the Piccadilly Line? and the pictures of the and its stations
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Old September 23rd, 2007, 08:36 PM   #1836
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Tubeman: oh and why are they saying that the dome is a flop if now they converted to the O2 arena and well it looks successful now i mean a huge movie threaters a arena covention hall and that plus connected to public transport by the london underground and buses
Because o2 are a private company and pumped all their money into renovating the dome structure and building everything inside. Therefore there's no controversy if they go over budget because taxpayers money isn't involved.

Most Londoners didn't want the Dome built because they believed their tax could be better spent on hospitals, schools and a crumbling transport system rather than a large tent housing a load of fluff about Britain celebrating the millennium. When the Dome was a flop in 2000, it left a real bad taste in the UK taxpayers mouth that so much had been spent on a structure that was now empty and a white elephant.

It's only now a private company have redeveloped it that people are starting to wake up to how incredible a structure it is. But that bad taste still remains and the whole Dome debacle is used by many cynics to cloud judgement over a lot of other Government projects, such as the Olympics.
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Old September 24th, 2007, 11:12 AM   #1837
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Tubeman: oh and why are they saying that the dome is a flop if now they converted to the O2 arena and well it looks successful now i mean a huge movie threaters a arena covention hall and that plus connected to public transport by the london underground and buses

Tubeman: the Piccadilly Line which is the third busiest tube line is there pics of this line and the new airport stations as well
The O2 is officially no longer a flop... sadly its taken 8 years for it to be put to good use. The frustration is firstly the 'Millennium Experience' which it hosted during 2000 was absolute tripe, and secondly its been nothing but an occasional rave venue between 2001 and 2007 and cost millions in maintenance / security costs with minimal return during this period.

With regard to the Piccadilly Line... I can't find any pics of T5 station (although I have seen a couple somewhere)

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Old September 24th, 2007, 11:14 AM   #1838
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Tubeman: which is better to go to Healthrow your experience the Heatlthrow express, the Healthrow Connect or the Piccadilly Line? and the pictures of the and its stations
If you want to get there quickly and be ripped off = Express

If you want to get there slowly and not be ripped off = Piccadilly line

Connect I've not used... Its probably the best value vs time to be honest, but Paddington is not the most conveniently located terminus... depends where you're going to in London I suppose
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Old September 24th, 2007, 07:22 PM   #1839
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oh but isn't the Paddington station where the first section of the london underground was built i mean thats where is very historical i think?

oh but i heard that Connect people that work at the airport can use and its cheaper i think?
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i also have seen some pics of the Dawlish station and such it seems nice that its a resort gateway station its next to the beach great for surfing and swiming in the ocean
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