Manchesters Hotels!(built and proposed)

[GShutty]

Originally Posted by Seasonedbest

I disagree with subtle. .......

......Stephenson Bell obviously love this slate brick ......

I think it is subtle. The Oxford Road hotel stands out more because coming from the south is the first tall building taht you encounter. This building will only be visible from certain angles and then when it is upon you. Because of the colour and unspectacular architeture, I expect that the eye will be drawn to the older, more ostentatious buildings.

I rather like the grey brick too. I would guess that in terms of cost per unit they stack up against the cream and orange bricks of other cheaper as this choice of facade seems to be used instead of these on comparable buildings. Of the three and kind of as Macc alluded too below, I think it is a far superior choice. These bricks seem to have a sealed finish to the exterior, which coupled with the colour should age well and look similar in years to come. I wouldn't want eevry building to be finished in this brick, but the few that have shown up are decent IMO and again tend to blend well against and even complement often superior buildings that surround them.

[iheartthenew]

I really like that colour brick.

[Unremarkable]

Originally Posted by monkey_rat

it will be fine provided they build on the 111 piccadilly car park, which I'd assume they will at some point as the side of the proposed building facing onto this is a blank wall.

not all buildings can be amazing. its a space filled.

Saying it's a space filled is a bit of a cop out in my opinion.

More consideration should have been taken to the surrounding area, the scale of the buildings and the colour of stone used near by etc

Do we really just want a space filled?

Doesn't Manchester deserve better than that?

[hulmeman2]

http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...dministration_

Hilton Deansgate Manchester landlord in administration
February 17, 2011

The landlord of the Hilton Manchester Deansgate Hotel in the Beetham Tower has gone into administration.

KPMG were appointed as administrators to Beetham Hotels Manchester, which is a Liverpool-based property company with a management agreement with Hilton Worldwide.
The hotel, which has 340 staff, continues to trade as normal and no redundancies have been made.
Brian Green, head of restructuring for KPMG in the North West, said: “We would like to reassure customers that it is business as usual.
“We are confident of securing a sale in the near future. Hilton Worldwide is continuing to manage the day to day operations at the hotel, with our support.”
The appointment of administrators is over the hotel company only, not the rest of the building.

[GShutty]

[QUOTE=Unremarkable;72819957]More consideration should have been taken to the surrounding area, the scale of the buildings and the colour of stone used near by etc

Do we really just want a space filled?[QUOTE]

The scale of the surrounding buildings has been taken in to consideration and the colour, is neutral and reserved, so whilst not extenuating the Victorian street scape in that sense, it certainly does not clash with, or oppose the building that are there.

Regarding the second point, if the space is adequately filled, re-establishing the street frontage and replacing an abandoned building sight, then this is exactly what we want, which i think is what monkey_rat meant.

Other projects are happening such as the new Co-op HQ, the Whitworth Gallery Extension and Chetham's and these are the glossy, award winning projects that will capture the headlines for design-lead statement architecture in the right place. If these were to become in a city with unfinshed streets, then I think the city would be worse for this.

[Seasonedbest]

Originally Posted by macc

I'd also have preferred it they kept the Chetham's School of Music in black rather than grey. It's going to look more drab and car park like. It's wouldn't fit in with Victoria station but a building of that style won't anyway. Still looking forward to that one though.

But Chets isn't going to be grey. Its cream if anything, which will be a more appropriate colour against all the surrounding stone facades.

Obviously people have differing views and tastes here, and I sense there's some architectural students in this discussion, but imo, the simplifying in design has lead to what was an average looking building, to something that has absolutely no quality to it at all. Everyone has now accepted the terrible architecture of bygone years as exemplified by 111 Picc, but a majority of people, experts or not, will wonder how such a dark, characterless building got planning permission today. It's the type of building I would expect along Rochdale Road, not the city centre.

Stop defending mediocrity.

[Unremarkable]

Originally Posted by GShutty

Regarding the second point, if the space is adequately filled, re-establishing the street frontage and replacing an abandoned building sight, then this is exactly what we want, which i think is what monkey_rat meant.

I take your point but we want spaces filled with attractive and functional buildings. By your and monkey's logic we can stick a sand castle there as long as it's a space filled.

I'm exaggerating of course but can you see my point?

I'm all for filling these empty spaces in and around town, they are an eyesore, but not with just anything. It will serve it's purpose as a hotel but it will look awful.

[jrb]

For what it's worth, I think the Hotel will look better in the flesh.
Also. The Hotels in Manchester should be bursting this weekend with Crawley and County fans making weekend of it.

[macc]

Originally Posted by Seasonedbest

But Chets isn't going to be grey. Its cream if anything, which will be a more appropriate colour against all the surrounding stone facades.

I hope so. A stone colour would be preferable to concrete grey brick. Whilst I've warmed to the use of concrete since reading this forum, this development does have an air of car park about it and that won't go down well with the majority if it looks too much like one. I had a look at the hoardings around the site and the render definitely suggests the cladding is brick.

Originally Posted by Seasonedbest

Stop defending mediocrity.

Originally Posted by Seasonedbest

Obviously people have differing views and tastes here, and I sense there's some architectural students in this discussion, but imo, the simplifying in design has lead to what was an average looking building, to something that has absolutely no quality to it at all. Everyone has now accepted the terrible architecture of bygone years as exemplified by 111 Picc, but a majority of people, experts or not, will wonder how such a dark, characterless building got planning permission today. It's the type of building I would expect along Rochdale Road, not the city centre.

I think they've done a sterling job with the refurb of 111 Piccadilly. It's better than the new hotel will ever be (though I sense you agree).

I just like the variation of cladding. There's not many like this around and new build budget hotels are generally dire.

Perhpas it could described as a different be a different shade of shit (I shouldn't laugh at my own jokes), but variety is the spice of life and Manchester does the hotch potch look well. Not all builds are big budget and I find this one more interesting (for the cladding and it's effect on the street scape alone)than say, the stripy Holiday Inn u/c in the Northern quarter.

Does anyone recall the proposed black and glass development somewhere on the Salford/Manchester border? Can't remember what it was but is was great.

[Seasonedbest]

Well certain cities do hotch potch well. London really doesn't, New York really does. Let's hope its like the latter.

[GShutty]

Originally Posted by Unremarkable

I take your point but we want spaces filled with attractive and functional buildings. By your and monkey's logic we can stick a sand castle there as long as it's a space filled. I'm exaggerating of course but can you see my point?

You're wrong there and a little unfair. There are several new buildings that I would rather not have seen, the Bridge next to the Lowry Hotel in Salford being my own personal worst offender. With a different exterior (the original idea was for this to be glazed) it could have looked perfectly fine, even very good, mirroring the curve of the Lowry Hotel. The tin shed finish that it ended up with is awful.

What I'm saying is that I don't think this building is all that bad, which I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on. It's functional and why shouldn't it be and if you look again at that part of Dale St, there are many different finishes to the building facades: Terracotta & dark green tiles, Cream tiles, various grades of brick, sandstone, brick and sandstone, painted brick....

Rather then try and match with any of these, which with budgetary restraints may have actually ended up looking like a cheap contrast, they have chosen a solid (in-vogue) grey brick finish, which will incidently match with the views of Gateway House on the approach to Piccadilly Station, but without trying to compete with a different building from a different era. In some ways, No.1 The Avenue has achieved this adjacent to John Ryland's Library.

What we do get is a streetscape re-established, a height match between the Dale St warehouses and 111 Piccadilly (which as said has had a neat refurb) and an abandoned building sight being completed, at the time of a recession.

[Seasonedbest]

Originally Posted by GShutty

You're wrong there and a little unfair. There are several new buildings that I would rather not have seen, the Bridge next to the Lowry Hotel in Salford being my own personal worst offender. With a different exterior (the original idea was for this to be glazed) it could have looked perfectly fine, even very good, mirroring the curve of the Lowry Hotel. The tin shed finish that it ended up with is awful.

What I'm saying is that I don't think this building is all that bad, which I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on. It's functional and why shouldn't it be and if you look again at that part of Dale St, there are many different finishes to the building facades: Terracotta & dark green tiles, Cream tiles, various grades of brick, sandstone, brick and sandstone, painted brick....

Rather then try and match with any of these, which with budgetary restraints may have actually ended up looking like a cheap contrast, they have chosen a solid (in-vogue) grey brick finish, which will incidently match with the views of Gateway House on the approach to Piccadilly Station, but without trying to compete with a different building from a different era. In some ways, No.1 The Avenue has achieved this adjacent to John Ryland's Library.

What we do get is a streetscape re-established, a height match between the Dale St warehouses and 111 Piccadilly (which as said has had a neat refurb) and an abandoned building sight being completed, at the time of a recession.

44 Dale Street will sit opposite and slightly to the left of this when completed. Although small (smaller than the converted warehouse it is adjoined to) perfectly interacts with the surrounding buildings due to its clean, light coloured finish and appropriately sized windows (interestingly, its doorway will also double as the entrance to a 1940s bank in the upcoming Captain America film).

It also joins onto 75 Dale Streets Rochdale Canal Building (which is an old converted building). What I'm saying is that the building should follow in a similar way in being appropriately coloured, with glass that reflects the facades and differing styles of the older buildings surrounding it. Not a heavy mass of very dark brick, which I fail to see will integrate with the street at all. Not even remaining 'neutral.'

Imo, the one on Oxford Road doesn't work, so I fail to see how this will.

[Philbio]

From Manchester Confidential

Yes, it came as a bit of a shock to us as well.
Beetham Hotels Manchester, Limited, the owner of the Hilton Hotels franchise here in Manchester has gone into administration; Joint Administrators from KPMG have been appointed. Confidential were notified by post this morning.
David Gale's highly rated restaurant, Podium and Cloud 23 Bar, well known to the Manchester Confidential readers, will carry on trading as normal for the foreseable future.
In addition, The Hotel will carry on trading as normal whilst the Adminstrators decide the best course of action; The Hilton Hotel Group will carry on managing the Hotel as a Hilton for the time being.


If you are a creditor, you should call Sheilagh Richardson on 0118 373 1408; operational matters should be discussed with James Sharp. 0207694 1057

http://www.manchesterconfidential.co...der-_17113.asp

[GShutty]

Originally Posted by Seasonedbest

Imo, the one on Oxford Road doesn't work, so I fail to see how this will.

Each to their own, but i'll join you with a pint, maybe down at the Port St, when it's finished and we'll either agree with each other that it's wonderful/hidoues, or more likely walk straight past it and turn around and go and look at the new Co-op HQ

[Seasonedbest]

Originally Posted by GShutty

Each to their own, but i'll join you with a pint, maybe down at the Port St, when it's finished and we'll either agree with each other that it's wonderful/hidoues, or more likely walk straight past it and turn around and go and look at the new Co-op HQ

Quality pub. Good selection of beer. Friendly atmos.

[jrb]

Change of use and refurbishment of existing building into 95 bed hotel use class (C1). Erection of two additional floors of accommodation together with associated car parking and landscaping
Former Brown Brothers Building Bounded By Trinity Way, East Ordsall Lane And Egerton Street Salford 3 http://publicaccess.salford.gov.uk/p...=LG8M9NNP5Y000

[jrb]

Upper Brrok Street opposite the MRI.

[oakman]

Originally Posted by jrb

Great to see this finally being used , it has been empty for so many years now , and in a great location too !

[flange]

Urbanize seeks more time for Ancoats hotel

ALTRINCHAM-based developer Urbanize has applied for more time to build a 145-bedroom hotel in Ancoats, Manchester.

The firm's plans for a 14-storey building on the corner of Great Ancoats Street and Lomax Street close to Piccadilly Basin were originally approved in 2008.

It submitted an application to extend this permission earlier last month.

http://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwest/news/

Relates to this scheme.

[flange]

Planning application is here

122/124 Great Ancoats Street Manchester M4 6DE

Application to extend the time limit for previously approved outline application (Ref 081355/OO/2006/C3) for the erection of a 14 storey building comprising 145 bedroom hotel (use class C1) with ground floor commercial units comprising A1 (shops), A2 (professional services), A3 (restaurants), A4 (drinking establishments) and B1 (business) and associated services including 2 levels of basement parking

http://pa.manchester.gov.uk/online-a...pe=Application