Canadian Military

[SO143]

CF-18 had intercepted a russian Tu-95


2x CF-18 in patrol for NORAD








Armements : 2x AIM-7 Sparrow, 2x AIM-9 Sidewinder,2x GBU-10


CF-18 from 410 SQN, 4 Wing Cold Lake firing CRV-7 Rocket

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Leopard C2 (1A5) first time this baby see the combat since his creation and first time since 50years Canada sent MBT in combat the last time was in 1950-1953 during the Korea War.











New Canadian Leopard 2A6M Can (slat armour)during a patrol


Leo2A6M Can ,firing over a taliban position with his new L55 main canon.


Life Firing of MG-3 in Canada from the new and stronger tank ever built the cat shoot "Leo2A6M"


HMCS Ville de Quebec , Escort a Somalian ship.




CH-124 Sea King ready to interceped a Pirate Ship in Somalia


CH-124 Sea King had interceped an Pirate Boat in Somalia


HMCS Protecteur during a Replenishment At Sea in the Arabian Sea


CH-124 during an Coalition Exercise


HMCS Toronto and the Canadian Coast Guard Ship (CCGS) Pierre Radisson , with the Joint Task Force North (JTFN) during exercise NANOOK




HMCS Toronto during NANOOK


Canadian Rangers (Inuit) during NANOOK




HMCS Toronto , HMCS Moncton , HMCS Corner Brook during NANOOk


CP-140 Aura over North of Canada , during exercise NANOOK


CF-18 during Exercise NANOOK


From top left: HMCS Charlottetown, a Canadian patrol frigate; HMCS Iroquois, a Canadian destroyer; USS Bataan, an American amphibious assault ship; USS Decatur, an American guided missile destroyer; and HMCS Halifax, a Canadian patrol frigate.


Canadian and U.S fleet


HMCS Regina fires a Harpoon missile during the multi-national Rim of the Pacific (RIMPAC) exercise



HMCS Ville de Quebec fires her 57mm forward gun during a live-fire exercise in the Red Sea.


HMCS Ville de Quebec and HMCS Calgary conduct boarding party exercises with the Sea King helicopter in the Arabian Sea.


A CH124 Sea King helicopter lands on the flight deck of HMCS Ville de Québec in the Indian Ocean.
The helicopter is a valuable asset that can help extend the roles and capabilities of a ship.


HMCS Calgary on the Indian Ocean escort the USNS John Lenthall steams


HMCS Calgary while at sea off the coast of California


HMCSSt. John’s Life-fire exercise of new Evolved Sea Sparrow Missiles






HMCS Ottawa escort the U.S.S Boxer in the Arabian Gulf


CH-124 hunt Australian submarines behind unknown U.S ship.


HMCS Winnipeg's helicopter detachment prepare a CH-124 Sea King for flight operations in the Gulf of Oman


New canadian CC-177 GlobeMaster III

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by SO143

Anyway my point is that i don't see any reason why Canada needs to increase military budget.No one is gonna invade us as far as i know.

Not even our allies respect our borders because they all know we're a complete pushover. We don't take defense seriously. The US breaches our northern border all the time on purpose because they know a nation that doesn't defend its border eventually loses claim to it. Mexico learned that lesson the hard way.

The US maybe an ally, but they have US' interests at heart, not ours. We need a vastly larger military presence just to maintain our sovereignty. If we give them an inch, they'll take a mile... and they gladly have already.

[koolio]

Aren't we spending more money on our military as percentage of GDP than Israel and turkey? I don't think our military is underfunded by any means. Maybe we can use that money in a more effective manner but that is a separate issue.

[cormiermax]

Navy, air force going ‘royal’ once again

By Bryn Weese ,Parliamentary Bureau

First posted: Monday, August 15, 2011 2:52:30 EDT PM

OTTAWA - The Canadian navy and air force -- officially Maritime and Air Command -- are going back to their 'royal' roots Tuesday.



The two branches of the armed forces will officially revert to Royal Canadian Navy and Royal Canadian Air Force respectively, names that ceased to be used in 1968 when the three branches were amalgamated as the Canadian Forces.

The army will cease to be called Land Command and will instead be the Canadian Army.

Last year, the Senate was studying what to do about the name of the navy, following a motion by former Liberal Senator Bill Rompkey to rename it the Canadian Navy.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay is making an announcement regarding "Canada's military history" in Halifax Tuesday, when the name changes will be announced.

"It's exciting that the government has chosen to honour our air force history and heritage by re-introducing the historical titles," retired Lt.-Col. Dean Black with the Air Force Association said.

Although a 30-year veteran with the air force, he never served under the 'royal' designation, having joined in 1977 and retired a few years ago.

"It's not something that I grew up with," he said. "But it is our history since 1924."

A senior government source told QMI Agency that the name change is expected to boost morale among the men and women in uniform, though many of them already refer to the branches as the navy, air force and army anyway.

The name change is not expected to cost much money and will not affect the command structure.

In 1964, a White Paper on Defence from then Liberal prime minister Lester B. Pearson initiated amalgamating the three branches of the armed forces into one unit, the Canadian Forces. In 1968, under Pearson's Liberal successor, Pierre Trudeau, the forces were successfully amalgamated and all were given the same green uniform.

In the 1980s, the three branches were given distinctive uniforms again.

[cementationfurnace]

Originally Posted by koolio

Aren't we spending more money on our military as percentage of GDP than Israel and turkey? I don't think our military is underfunded by any means. Maybe we can use that money in a more effective manner but that is a separate issue.

We aren't according to any set of figures that I've ever seen. Where we do apparently outdo most countries is on how much we spend on personnel (i.e salaries).

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God Save the Queen! Conservatives to restore ‘royal’ monikers for navy, air force

Years of lobbying by Canadian veterans have convinced the federal government to restore the names of the Royal Canadian Navy and the Royal Canadian Air Force.

Defence Minister Peter MacKay will make the announcement on Tuesday in Halifax, sources have told The Globe and Mail.

The names were changed in 1968 by Paul Hellyer, who was Liberal defence minister when he amalgamated the army, the navy and the air force into a single structure with a single uniform. Since that time, the navy has been known as the Maritime Command and the air force has been known as the Air Command.

The reorganization unravelled in 1985 and the different forces were again allowed to wear their own uniforms but the new names were not changed.

Even though the navy often referred to itself as the navy, it was still the Maritime Command. The same was true of the air force. And despite the passage of more than four decades, it was a sore point with veterans who had served under the forces as they were originally named.

Before William Rompkey retired as a Liberal senator last year, he introduced a motion in the Red Chamber to have the name of the Maritime Command restored to that of the Canadian Navy. He urged Mr. MacKay to take the step in time to mark the 100th navys anniversary, and his motion was seconded by Conservative Senator Hugh Segal.

Mr. Rompkey said Monday he would have preferred that the word Royal was not incorporated into the name but changing the Maritime Command to the Royal Canadian Navy would be better than what we had before.

The Canadian Army is not called the Royal Canadian Army because Canada follows British tradition, which holds that the navy and the air force are commanded by the Queen but the army is a collection of independent regiments that serve the sovereign but are not part of the Royal Canadian Forces.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/...rticle2130125/

[_BPS_]

Really no point in increasing defence budget unless we can compete with the US somewhat, especially since we share with them the largest border of the world. Also, Canada is already part of NATO so there is no use in opting for a larger military unless Canada has other imperial interests in mind (such as stealing oil $).

By the way, those hornets are rusting.

[SO143]

Originally Posted by isaidso

Not even our allies respect our borders because they all know we're a complete pushover. We don't take defense seriously. The US breaches our northern border all the time on purpose because they know a nation that doesn't defend its border eventually loses claim to it. We need a vastly larger military presence just to maintain our sovereignty. If we give them an inch, they'll take a mile... and they gladly have already.

Do you really think that US will stop doing it if Canada increases current military budget from $21 bn to $40 bn a year?

[vid]

The cost of rebranding the military to re-install the Royal designation will surely bring our defence budget up to American levels in terms of percent of GDP!

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[_BPS_]

Originally Posted by SO143

Do you really think that US will stop doing it if Canada increases current military budget from $21 bn to $40 bn a year?

If the spend the $19b tackling that one issue alone, then yeah, they would stop.

[SO143]

Originally Posted by _BPS_

If the spend the $19b tackling that one issue alone, then yeah, they would stop.

[timo9]

maybe...

[CanadianDemon]

I say we plant SAM missles in the Arctic to fuck with the Russians and turrents on ships to fuck with American Subs and boats. That'll teach em. We'll just point hockey pucks at Denmark and tell them to hose off.

[SO143]

Canada Copes With A Crew Crises

Canada Copes With A Crew Crises

August 16, 2011: Canada is finding its easier to buy new helicopters, than find the people it needs to operate and maintain them. Such is the case with a new CH-47 transport helicopter squadron, which will require 482 pilots, maintainers and support staff. Pilots are in training, as are some of the maintainers.

The problems is that the air force (officially the Air Command, or AirCom, of the Canadian Forces) has only 14,500 personnel and its difficult to round up 482 specialists for a new squadron. The new unit does not reach full strength until 2014, and three years is believed sufficient to recruit or transfer the people needed for the new unit. But maybe not, because its always a problem with smaller armed forces in this age of ever evolving technology. The U.S. Air Force has 330,000 personnel, and has been downsizing for the last two decades. All those people give you a lot more flexibility, and fewer problems in forming new units.

Canada has been leasing and trying to buy CH-47s for the past four years. Thats because the CH-47 is the best helicopter for use in Afghanistan, having proved able to deal with the dust and high altitude operations better than other transport choppers. The CH-47 has been engineered, over the years, to deal with the dust, and always had the engine power to handle high altitude operations. For these reasons, Canada is buying fifteen more CH-47Fs and forming another air force squadron to operate them. Canada expects to use the CH-47s on peacekeeping missions.

The 22 ton CH-47 can carry ten tons of cargo, or up to 55 troops, and has a maximum range of 426 kilometers. Its max speed is 315 kilometers an hour. Typical missions last about three hours. The first CH-47s entered service in 1962, able to carry only five tons. Some 750 saw service in Vietnam, and 200 were lost in action.

From 1982-94, 500 CH-47s were rebuilt to the CH-47D standard. SOCOM operates 31 MH-47Ds and Es (which have additional navigation gear.) These are being upgraded to MH-47F standards, and the fleet expanded to 61 helicopters. As a result of all this, the CH-47 will end up serving at least 75 years. The CH-47F upgrades and new builds will not be completed until 2018. New CH-47Fs cost about $35 million each, just for the bare aircraft. The CH-47F is more durable and easier to maintain than the CH-47D, and most D models will be upgraded to the F standard.

http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/hta.../20110816.aspx

[Oaronuviss]

Does Canada allow American citizens to join its military? If not, maybe we should start thinking about that? Appeal to other nations whose people need work, and are willing to move to Canada and receive citizenship.

Are we really that dumb we can't find people to swell our ranks?

Embarrassing.



As for the former Royal being attached to our military once again, I am very happy about that, and now we can regain our proud name as a Royal Force instead of an irregular bland name mix mash of all arms of the military.


The Canadian Forces Air, Land, and Sea command just wasn't working. Makes us look like a small Caribbean nation not able to produce a real military and amalgamates all forces together.

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by koolio

Aren't we spending more money on our military as percentage of GDP than Israel and turkey?

Not even close. Those countries spend double and quadruple what we spend, respectively.

Military spending as % of GDP, 2009
Israel 6.3%
Turkey 2.7%
Canada 1.5%

A 70% increase in our defense spending would just put us in the middle of the pack of G8 countries roughly tied with the UK and France:

G8
United States 4.7%
Russia 4.3%
United Kingdom 2.7%
France 2.5%
Italy 1.8%
Canada 1.5%
Germany 1.4%
Japan 1.0%

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...y_expenditures

[isaidso]

Originally Posted by SO143

Do you really think that US will stop doing it if Canada increases current military budget from $21 bn to $40 bn a year?

Every political scientist commenting on geo-politics/military issues I've ever listened to says the same thing: the repercussions of not doing it are incalculable. Even China treads lightly when breaching Taiwanese waters. Do you think the Taiwanese were so naive to argue that defense just wasn't going to have any material effect? Some people in this country seem to be exactly that naive.

If Taiwan had done nothing, Taiwan wouldn't exist today. Canada seems to be shockingly gullible and wide eyed when it comes to these issues. The US is not about to fire on an ally or risk an international incident with its biggest trading partner over Canadian Arctic sovereignty. They just can't believe their luck that they're living next to a mouse that just sits there and lets it happen. It's pathetic really.

Your 'laugh out loud' smiley face is ironic in that it's precisely the response Canada gets in Washington because we're push overs. The US will never respect this country if Canada keeps behaving like a colony. Your views on this are beyond depressing.

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