Israeli aviation thread - Page 8

Kappa21 · March 20th, 2008, 03:42 AM

Israeli made Planes?
what about Israeli made fighter planes?

TheCat · March 20th, 2008, 08:13 AM

Mostly modified. As far as I know the Lavi was the only fully Israeli-designed plane, but it never went beyond the prototype stages because of a cancellation of the project in the late 1980s. However, the prototypes are still used as technology testers/demonstrators, and apparently a significant portion of the avionics has been sold (or given away in some other way) to the Chinese, on which their new J-10 fighter jet is based.

There are others though, such as the Kfir, which were also significantly "Israeli", but they are retired now.

Lastly, most of the American planes that Israel buys, such as the F-16s, are delivered to Israel without the avionics (i.e. the electronics), and basically consist of the airframe and engines. Israel then installs its own avionics technology, which apparently is superior to the American one (so in a way, the Israeli American planes are better than the "American" American ones

), but this claim cannot be proven beyond battlefield results, since it is generally kept as a top secret.

andrey i · March 21st, 2008, 05:30 PM

The IAI (Israeli aerospace industries) also producing the best UAVs in the world!

the first Israeli UAVs operated in the 1 Lebanon war!
Now even USA and Europe buys them from Israel.
Here is a video about israeli UAVs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg44ISMMXRc

andrey i · March 22nd, 2008, 05:17 PM

Heron 1

The Heron or Machatz-1 is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle developed by the Malat (UAV) division of Israel Aircraft Industries. It is capable of Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) operations of up to 52 hours' duration at up to 35,000 feet. It has demonstrated 52 hours of continuous flight, but the effective operational maximal flight duration is less, due to payload and flight profile. There is a new version, Heron TP.

On September 11, 2005 it was announced [1] that the Israel Defence Forces purchased US$50 million worth of Heron systems. The IDF's designation of the Heron is Machatz-1.

Apart from Israel, the countries which operate the Heron are India and Turkey.[1] France operates a derivative of Heron named Eagle.[2]

NavigationHeron navigates using an internal GPS receiver, and either a pre-programmed flight profile (in which case the system is fully autonomous from takeoff to landing), manual override from a ground control station, or a combination of both. It can autonomously return to base and land in case of lost communication with the ground station. The system has fully automatic launch and recovery (ALR) and all-weather capabilities.

Payload
Heron can carry an array of sensors, including infra-red and visible-light surveillance, intelligence systems (COMINT and ELINT) and various radar systems, totaling up to 250 kg. Heron is also capable of target acquisition and artillery adjustment.

The payload sensors communicate with the ground control station in real-time, using either direct line of sight data link, or via an airborne/satellite relay. Like the navigation system, the payload can also be used in either a fully pre-programmed autonomous mode, or manual real-time remote operation, or a combination of both.

General characteristics
Length: 8.94 m (29 ft 4 in)
Wingspan: 16.60 m (54 ft 5 in)
Max takeoff weight: 1,150 kg (2,530 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Rotax 914, 86 kW (115 hp)

Performance
Maximum speed: 207 km/h (113 knots, 130 mph)
Range: 3,300 km (1,872 nm, 2,063 mi)
Rate of climb: 150 m/min (492 ft/min)

andrey i · March 22nd, 2008, 05:32 PM

Searcher Mk 2

The Searcher Mk II is a multi mission tactical UAV system used for surveillance, reconnaissance, target acquisition, artillery adjustment and damage assessment.
Low-noise integrated 4 stroke engine for low audio detection
Built from composite materials to reduce radar tection
Adverse weather capability
Safe, reliable and easy operation
Two proven simultaneous Automatic Takeoff and Landing (ATOL) systems for maximal safety
Fully redundant, state-of-the-art avionics

Performance
Endurance 20 hr.
Range 300 km
Altitude 23,000 ft

Weights

Max. take-off weight 436 kg
Max. payload weight 120 kg

Overall length 5.85 m
Wingspan 8.55 m

andrey i · March 24th, 2008, 05:30 PM

Somebody (who is a moderator in the Israeli threads section),make this thread
sticky!

Alon · March 26th, 2008, 04:13 AM

The Eitan

andrey i · March 27th, 2008, 11:01 AM

Harpy

The IAI Harpy is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) produced by Israel's Israel Aircraft Industries. The Harpy is designed to attack radar systems. The IAI has sold the Harpy to several foreign nations, including South Korea, Turkey, India, and China.

In 2004, the Harpy became the focus of the effort by the United States to restrict arms transfers and the sales of advanced military technology to China. Sold to China in 1994 for around $US 55 million, the UAVs were returned to Israel in 2004 under contract to be upgraded. The United States demanded that Israel seize the UAVs and nullify the contract. According to the United States, the Harpy contains U.S. technology; according to Israel, the Harpy is an indigenously designed UAV. In 2005, the UAVs were returned to China without being upgraded. This incident chilled relations between the United States and Israel, with Israel being suspended from its status as Security Cooperative Participant in the Joint Strike Fighter programme. As of November 6, 2005, however, Israel has stated that it has been re-admitted into the program.[1].

General characteristics
Length: 2.7 m (8 ft 10 in)
Wingspan: 2.1 m (6 ft 10 in)
Loaded weight: 135 kg (300 lb)
Powerplant: 1× UEL AR731 Wankel engine, 28 kW (37 hp)

Performance
Maximum speed: 185 km/h (100 knots, 115 mph)
Range: 500 km (270 nm, 312 miles)

Armament
1 × 32 kg (70 lb) high-explosive warhead

Jim856796 · July 27th, 2008, 01:37 AM

If Ben gurion Airport is the only international airport in Israel, how come people from Haifa, Jerusalem, and southern Israel have to drive all the way to the airport? The airport's 100 miles away from the places I mentioned.

The Knowledgeable · July 27th, 2008, 09:08 AM

Distances are shorter than they seem in Israel, and there is Ovda International serving the south.

***Urban Legend*** · July 27th, 2008, 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim856796

If Ben gurion Airport is the only international airport in Israel, how come people from Haifa, Jerusalem, and southern Israel have to drive all the way to the airport? The airport's 100 miles away from the places I mentioned.

you right man. IMO Haifa's airport have to be international too. even if less flights then Ben Gurion.

Gidon · July 27th, 2008, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Urban Legend

you right man. IMO Haifa's airport have to be international too. even if less flights then Ben Gurion.

There are plans to build an international airport near Megido instead. Extending Haifa's airport is probably not too cost efficient because it means that the runway will be extended above the sea.

As to Ben gurion, it's less than a two hours drive away for probably 80% of the country's population which is reasonable.

shugs · August 22nd, 2008, 05:20 AM

US Airways seeks Philadelphia-Tel Aviv route

Tue Aug 19, 12:33 PM ET

PHILADELPHIA - US Airways wants to offer year-round service between Philadelphia and Tel Aviv, Israel.

The Tempe, Ariz.-based airline announced Tuesday it is applying to start service in July 2009, subject to approval by the U.S. and Israeli officials.

The airline will offer one daily nonstop flight.

The Tel Aviv route would be the longest nonstop segment in the US Airways network. Longer-range Airbus A330-200 aircraft set for delivery in spring 2009 will operate on the route.

US Airways began service from Philadelphia to London's Heathrow airport in March 2008.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20...mgGhdmTXms0NUE

jgup5 · May 20th, 2009, 01:51 AM

Do you have more info about IAI K-fir that are going to be send to Colombia? or photos maybe?

Alon · May 20th, 2009, 02:02 AM

they are called Kfir (lion cub). Colombiais to buy 24 of them. As you know they are kinda old and out of service but they got an avionics upgrade.
Militartyphotos.net got a huge thread about it. Enjoy

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=128299

jgup5 · May 20th, 2009, 02:42 AM

thanks for the link

The thing is that there are some photos of the Kfirs that supposedly are going to be send to Colombia, but as the people know, there was going to be C-10, although the photos are of C-7, so there is some doubts... thus maybe someone of the Israeli forum have any recent photo of the planes and can give more information :P

***Elkhanan1*** · May 20th, 2009, 04:13 AM

Very cool.

Yoav.de86 · May 20th, 2009, 09:45 AM

just one more thing... the Kfir is an upgrade for the French Mirage

Russel · May 30th, 2009, 03:42 PM

Mazal Tov to the IDF!

salosalo · April 3rd, 2011, 02:30 PM

HI!
Beautiful thread. Wanted to add something to it. Arkia now has nice flights to Eilat from Tel Aviv. I prefer it over the bus or the car ride.

March 20th, 2008, 08:13 AM	#142
TheCat IsraCanadian :) Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 1,364 Likes (Received): 3	Mostly modified. As far as I know the Lavi was the only fully Israeli-designed plane, but it never went beyond the prototype stages because of a cancellation of the project in the late 1980s. However, the prototypes are still used as technology testers/demonstrators, and apparently a significant portion of the avionics has been sold (or given away in some other way) to the Chinese, on which their new J-10 fighter jet is based. There are others though, such as the Kfir, which were also significantly "Israeli", but they are retired now. Lastly, most of the American planes that Israel buys, such as the F-16s, are delivered to Israel without the avionics (i.e. the electronics), and basically consist of the airframe and engines. Israel then installs its own avionics technology, which apparently is superior to the American one (so in a way, the Israeli American planes are better than the "American" American ones ), but this claim cannot be proven beyond battlefield results, since it is generally kept as a top secret. __________________ Check out my driving videos on Youtube \| Please visit the Highways & Autobahns forum

March 21st, 2008, 05:30 PM	#143
andrey i Russian-Israeli forever!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ashdod Posts: 289 Likes (Received): 0	The IAI (Israeli aerospace industries) also producing the best UAVs in the world! the first Israeli UAVs operated in the 1 Lebanon war! Now even USA and Europe buys them from Israel. Here is a video about israeli UAVs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wg44ISMMXRc __________________ "small step for man,but giant leap for man kind" said neil armstrong ,when he landed on the moon. My panoramio pics

March 22nd, 2008, 05:17 PM	#144
andrey i Russian-Israeli forever!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ashdod Posts: 289 Likes (Received): 0	Israeli UAV Heron 1 The Heron or Machatz-1 is an Unmanned Aerial Vehicle developed by the Malat (UAV) division of Israel Aircraft Industries. It is capable of Medium Altitude Long Endurance (MALE) operations of up to 52 hours' duration at up to 35,000 feet. It has demonstrated 52 hours of continuous flight, but the effective operational maximal flight duration is less, due to payload and flight profile. There is a new version, Heron TP. On September 11, 2005 it was announced [1] that the Israel Defence Forces purchased US$50 million worth of Heron systems. The IDF's designation of the Heron is Machatz-1. Apart from Israel, the countries which operate the Heron are India and Turkey.[1] France operates a derivative of Heron named Eagle.[2] NavigationHeron navigates using an internal GPS receiver, and either a pre-programmed flight profile (in which case the system is fully autonomous from takeoff to landing), manual override from a ground control station, or a combination of both. It can autonomously return to base and land in case of lost communication with the ground station. The system has fully automatic launch and recovery (ALR) and all-weather capabilities. Payload Heron can carry an array of sensors, including infra-red and visible-light surveillance, intelligence systems (COMINT and ELINT) and various radar systems, totaling up to 250 kg. Heron is also capable of target acquisition and artillery adjustment. The payload sensors communicate with the ground control station in real-time, using either direct line of sight data link, or via an airborne/satellite relay. Like the navigation system, the payload can also be used in either a fully pre-programmed autonomous mode, or manual real-time remote operation, or a combination of both. General characteristics Length: 8.94 m (29 ft 4 in) Wingspan: 16.60 m (54 ft 5 in) Max takeoff weight: 1,150 kg (2,530 lb) Powerplant: 1× Rotax 914, 86 kW (115 hp) Performance Maximum speed: 207 km/h (113 knots, 130 mph) Range: 3,300 km (1,872 nm, 2,063 mi) Rate of climb: 150 m/min (492 ft/min) __________________ "small step for man,but giant leap for man kind" said neil armstrong ,when he landed on the moon. My panoramio pics

March 22nd, 2008, 05:32 PM	#145
andrey i Russian-Israeli forever!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ashdod Posts: 289 Likes (Received): 0	Israeli UAV Searcher Mk 2 The Searcher Mk II is a multi mission tactical UAV system used for surveillance, reconnaissance, target acquisition, artillery adjustment and damage assessment. Low-noise integrated 4 stroke engine for low audio detection Built from composite materials to reduce radar tection Adverse weather capability Safe, reliable and easy operation Two proven simultaneous Automatic Takeoff and Landing (ATOL) systems for maximal safety Fully redundant, state-of-the-art avionics Performance Endurance 20 hr. Range 300 km Altitude 23,000 ft Weights Max. take-off weight 436 kg Max. payload weight 120 kg Overall length 5.85 m Wingspan 8.55 m __________________ "small step for man,but giant leap for man kind" said neil armstrong ,when he landed on the moon. My panoramio pics

March 24th, 2008, 05:30 PM	#146
andrey i Russian-Israeli forever!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ashdod Posts: 289 Likes (Received): 0	Somebody (who is a moderator in the Israeli threads section),make this thread sticky! __________________ "small step for man,but giant leap for man kind" said neil armstrong ,when he landed on the moon. My panoramio pics

March 20th, 2008, 03:42 AM	#141
Kappa21 Registered User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Toronto, Canada Posts: 6,663 Likes (Received): 159	Israeli made Planes? what about Israeli made fighter planes?

March 26th, 2008, 04:13 AM	#147
Alon BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 410 Likes (Received): 0	The Eitan

March 27th, 2008, 11:01 AM	#148
andrey i Russian-Israeli forever!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: ashdod Posts: 289 Likes (Received): 0	israeli UAV Harpy The IAI Harpy is an unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) produced by Israel's Israel Aircraft Industries. The Harpy is designed to attack radar systems. The IAI has sold the Harpy to several foreign nations, including South Korea, Turkey, India, and China. In 2004, the Harpy became the focus of the effort by the United States to restrict arms transfers and the sales of advanced military technology to China. Sold to China in 1994 for around $US 55 million, the UAVs were returned to Israel in 2004 under contract to be upgraded. The United States demanded that Israel seize the UAVs and nullify the contract. According to the United States, the Harpy contains U.S. technology; according to Israel, the Harpy is an indigenously designed UAV. In 2005, the UAVs were returned to China without being upgraded. This incident chilled relations between the United States and Israel, with Israel being suspended from its status as Security Cooperative Participant in the Joint Strike Fighter programme. As of November 6, 2005, however, Israel has stated that it has been re-admitted into the program.[1]. General characteristics Length: 2.7 m (8 ft 10 in) Wingspan: 2.1 m (6 ft 10 in) Loaded weight: 135 kg (300 lb) Powerplant: 1× UEL AR731 Wankel engine, 28 kW (37 hp) Performance Maximum speed: 185 km/h (100 knots, 115 mph) Range: 500 km (270 nm, 312 miles) Armament 1 × 32 kg (70 lb) high-explosive warhead __________________ "small step for man,but giant leap for man kind" said neil armstrong ,when he landed on the moon. My panoramio pics

July 27th, 2008, 01:37 AM	#149
Jim856796 The Q&A Guy Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Citizen of the World Posts: 6,743 Likes (Received): 7	If Ben gurion Airport is the only international airport in Israel, how come people from Haifa, Jerusalem, and southern Israel have to drive all the way to the airport? The airport's 100 miles away from the places I mentioned. __________________ I honestly think all development projects must be dashing, sustainable, and futureproof. You support the good projects... and oppose the bad.

July 27th, 2008, 09:08 AM	#150
The Knowledgeable Obeznany Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Tel Aviv Megalopolitan Area Posts: 619 Likes (Received): 1	Distances are shorter than they seem in Israel, and there is Ovda International serving the south. __________________ There is no such thing as good and evil. It depends how you look at it.

August 22nd, 2008, 05:20 AM	#153
shugs Registered User Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: GU1 Posts: 3,595 Likes (Received): 9	US Airways seeks Philadelphia-Tel Aviv route US Airways seeks Philadelphia-Tel Aviv route Tue Aug 19, 12:33 PM ET PHILADELPHIA - US Airways wants to offer year-round service between Philadelphia and Tel Aviv, Israel. The Tempe, Ariz.-based airline announced Tuesday it is applying to start service in July 2009, subject to approval by the U.S. and Israeli officials. The airline will offer one daily nonstop flight. The Tel Aviv route would be the longest nonstop segment in the US Airways network. Longer-range Airbus A330-200 aircraft set for delivery in spring 2009 will operate on the route. US Airways began service from Philadelphia to London's Heathrow airport in March 2008. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap_travel/20...mgGhdmTXms0NUE __________________ SSC Iran

May 20th, 2009, 01:51 AM	#154
jgup5 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 144 Likes (Received): 0	Do you have more info about IAI K-fir that are going to be send to Colombia? or photos maybe?

May 20th, 2009, 02:02 AM	#155
Alon BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 410 Likes (Received): 0	they are called Kfir (lion cub). Colombiais to buy 24 of them. As you know they are kinda old and out of service but they got an avionics upgrade. Militartyphotos.net got a huge thread about it. Enjoy http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums...d.php?t=128299

May 20th, 2009, 02:42 AM	#156
jgup5 Registered User Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 144 Likes (Received): 0	thanks for the link The thing is that there are some photos of the Kfirs that supposedly are going to be send to Colombia, but as the people know, there was going to be C-10, although the photos are of C-7, so there is some doubts... thus maybe someone of the Israeli forum have any recent photo of the planes and can give more information :P

May 20th, 2009, 04:13 AM	#157
*Elkhanan1* Moderator Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Toronto/São Paulo Posts: 4,365 Likes (Received): 3	Very cool. __________________ "I generally avoid temptation unless I can't resist it." — Mae West

May 20th, 2009, 09:45 AM	#158
Yoav.de86 Imagine Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Ramat Gan Posts: 329 Likes (Received): 0	just one more thing... the Kfir is an upgrade for the French Mirage

May 30th, 2009, 03:42 PM	#159
Russel BANNED Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,366 Likes (Received): 0	IDF Mazal Tov to the IDF!

April 3rd, 2011, 02:30 PM	#160
salosalo Registered User Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 7 Likes (Received): 0	Arkia - for the inner flights HI! Beautiful thread. Wanted to add something to it. Arkia now has nice flights to Eilat from Tel Aviv. I prefer it over the bus or the car ride.

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