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Old November 28th, 2005, 01:57 PM   #1
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MISC | Driverless Trains

Driverless Trains [Photographs Required]
All heavy rail (subway) trains, light rail trains, monorail trains, maglev trains, automated people mover systems that do not have a driver's cab at the train ends & are controlled by a centralised operations control centre. These trains usually have train doors that open and close automatically without the help of a driver. Please do not provide information or photographs of trains that are just automatic in operation but still have a driver's cab and a driver for the opening and closing of doors.

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- speed of trains
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- manufacturer of trains

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Old November 29th, 2005, 06:48 AM   #2
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Here's a list of 2003: http://www.uitp.com/mediaroom/june_2003/driverless.htm
Information on length etc. can be obtained from http://urbanrail.net

It's not too easy to take photos of the trains, because they're usually hidden behind the platform screen doors. The system in Nuremberg, Germany, which will open in 2006, will be the first, I think, to have no platform doors in its underground stations.

Copenhagen:


Lille:


Lille:


London Docklands LR:


Paris, line 14:

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Old November 29th, 2005, 07:15 AM   #3
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Toronto has driverless trains on one line but they choose to use drivers anyway...Vancouver uses the same technology and actually go driverless.


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Old November 29th, 2005, 07:29 AM   #4
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What is the advantage of a driverless train?
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Old November 29th, 2005, 07:37 AM   #5
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Old November 29th, 2005, 07:46 AM   #6
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There are driverless trains in Japan, but they are as slow as sh*t, Yurikamome and Kobe Port Liner to name a few.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 10:36 AM   #7
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Toronto has driverless trains on one line but they choose to use drivers anyway...Vancouver uses the same technology and actually go driverless.
So its not a driverless train then is it.


Like DrJoe said Vancouver's entire system is automated, in fact its the largest system in the world that doesnt have in train drivers.






No driver.



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Old November 29th, 2005, 11:27 AM   #8
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What's next, driverless elevators?

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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:03 PM   #9
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In Barcelona line 2 and line 11 are driverless, but they have got a "conductor" at the cabin, just in case...
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:14 PM   #10
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I've read that Singapore's NEL is the world's first fully automated heavy rail line (as opposed to light rail)...

Just need verification..
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Old November 29th, 2005, 08:34 PM   #11
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Vancouver and Kuala Lumpur run the same type of driverless trainset, manufactured by Bombardier.
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Old November 29th, 2005, 11:06 PM   #12
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I've read that Singapore's NEL is the world's first fully automated heavy rail line (as opposed to light rail)...

Just need verification..
I'm not sure...
- Paris line 14 is from 1998.
- San Francisco's BART is really "heavy" and started in 1972. But I don't know when they started fully automated service and they still have staff in the trains' cabins.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 12:16 AM   #13
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Kuala Lumpur's driveless system (full system length: about 29km. elevated + underground)
manufactured by Bombardier

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Old November 30th, 2005, 03:04 AM   #14
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Automated operation can mean different things:

1. Fully automated with driver in cab (Washington DC Metro, BART, Toronto Scarborough Line, etc...).

2. Fully automated with staff person in passenger compartment (London Docklands Light Railway, Copenhagen Metro, Singapore Northeast Line, etc...).

3. Fully automated and unstaffed (Vancouver Skytrain, New York JFK Airtrain, Las Vegas Monorail, etc...).

An interesting side note is that the third category is presently made up exclusively of Linear Induction Motor (LIM) powered systems such as Vancouver Skytrain and systems on rubber tires such as the Las Vegas Monorail. The reason for this appears to be that steel-wheeled systems powered by conventional rotary electric motors are subject to wheel slip in icy weather. Wet leaves on the track can also cause wheels to slip. The concern is real as demonstrated by the figures below. I expect that future improvements in automation technology will eventually overcome this problem.




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Old November 30th, 2005, 06:26 AM   #15
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I'm not sure...
- Paris line 14 is from 1998.
- San Francisco's BART is really "heavy" and started in 1972. But I don't know when they started fully automated service and they still have staff in the trains' cabins.
Bart's been 100% ato since it started. But they still have an operator in the front, which imo isnt exactly driverless.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 06:36 AM   #16
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Interesting. The new Vancouver Canada Line will be automated and conventional rotary motors (not LIM). There will be elevated sections at the airport and in Richmond - luckily, we don't get snow very often so hopefully there won't be problems with slippage.
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How will the Canada Line be powered? Electrified tracks?
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How will the Canada Line be powered? Electrified tracks?
3rd Rail.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 02:05 PM   #19
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Interesting. The new Vancouver Canada Line will be automated and conventional rotary motors (not LIM). There will be elevated sections at the airport and in Richmond - luckily, we don't get snow very often so hopefully there won't be problems with slippage.
Vancouver's new Canada Line will be operated with automated trains produced by Rotem of South Korea:



In the meantime, Bombardier of Canada is providing LIM powered automated trains for Seoul's Yong-In Line:



So, a Canadian company is providing automated trains for a South Korean transit line and a South Korean company is providing automated trains for a Canadian transit line.
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Old November 30th, 2005, 03:43 PM   #20
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Quote:
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I've read that Singapore's NEL is the world's first fully automated heavy rail line (as opposed to light rail)...

Just need verification..

I thought the first fully automated heavy metro (without driver, whithout anybody in the passeger compartment or anywhere) is the Lyon's MAGGALY, made by Alsthom: (It opened in 1991, 7 years before the Paris line 14, wich is made by Althom, too)





By the way, I don't know if there's another fully automated metro (I mean no driver, nobody to close the door etc...) in the world which has no door in the station like in Lyon.

This line (D) has 15 stations for 14km.
Speed: 75km/h
Source: http://maggaly.itrams.net

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