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[hkskyline]

Delta is not a low-cost carrier, so it doesn't make sense for them to try to beat Southwest or follow their model. That's what Song was supposed to do. Short turnaround times is not a forte for the conventional carriers. Perhaps Delta should think more international routes instead.

[Nick in Atlanta]

They are definitely expanding their international service, especially from their Atlanta hub. But, even when they increase the percent of their revenue that's generated from international flights, it will still only be about 30% of total revenue. They will always have an enourmous domestic network that needs to be maximize flying time, minimize gate time and pay rent for fewer jetways.

Southwest Airlines leads the way when it comes to maximizing the usage of a minimal amount of gates. If Delta can just move in the general direction of Southwest Airlines then it will save money idleing at the gate, and generate greater revenue the only way an airline can: flying passengers.

[Nick in Atlanta]

Here is a list of the international flight expansion that Delta is in the middle of implementing:

Delta Route Expansion-November 2005 to June 2006

ATLANTA

Europe/Middle East

Athens, Greece (5/29/06)
Copenhagen, Denmark (5/1/06)
Düsseldorf, Germany (4/3/06)
Edinburgh, Scotland (5/4/06)
Nice, France (5/9/06)
Tel Aviv, Israel (3/27/06)
Venice, Italy (6/6/06)

Latin America/Caribbean

Acapulco, Mexico (3/11/06)****
Antigua (12/18/05)
Barbados (12/8/05)
Cozumel, Mexico (3/6/06)
Managua, Nicaragua (12/15/05)
Merida, Mexico (2/25/06)
Punta Cana, Dominican Republic (11/19/05)
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (12/15/05)
Roatan, Honduras (3/4/06)
San Pedro Sula, Honduras (3/1/06)
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (12/1/05)
Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa, Mexico (3/18/06)****

** Denotes seasonal service.
*** Service may be operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines.
****Subject to DOT approval


NEW YORK-JFK

Europe/Middle East

Budapest, Hungary (5/8/06)
Dublin, Ireland (5/15/06)
Kiev, Ukraine (6/5/06)****
Manchester, England (5/15/06)
Shannon, Ireland (5/15/06)

****Subject to DOT approval

Latin America/Caribbean

Acapulco, Mexico (3/11/06)
Cancun, Mexico (SONG) (12/17/05)****
Cozumel, Mexico (3/6/06)
Los Cabos, Mexico (3/4/06)
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (3/4/06)


CINCINNATI

Latin America/Caribbean

Los Cabos, Mexico (12/15/05)

*** Service operated by Delta Connection carrier Comair.
****Subject to DOT approval


SALT LAKE CITY

Latin America/Caribbean

Cozumel, Mexico (3/10/06)
Mazatlan, Mexico (3/8/06)***
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (11/1/05)
*** Service may be operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines or Shuttle America.

Excluding Manchester, England all new routes to Europe/Middle East are subject to foreign government approval.

[Atl_Col]

what are delta's current european routes from Atlanta?
-Madrid, London, Frankfurt, Rome, Dublin, .....????

[mr_storms]

Double Posted

[mr_storms]

http://www.delta.com/planning_reserv...rope/index.jsp
Shannon Dublin Manchester London Madrid Barcelona Paris Brussels Nice Rome Milan Venice Munich Zurich Stuttgart Frankfurt Amersterdam Berlin Copenhagen. Not as extensive as CO, but pretty good

[samsonyuen]

Wow, they sure have a lot of international flights from Atlanta. It's like NY is an international hub of sorts for Delta too. It'd be interesting to see which of the legacy airlines has the most number of international flights/% of international flights.

[mr_storms]

Actually, im not sure all of those are from ATL, some may be from JFK. Thats just what DL had on their site

[Nick in Atlanta]

Here is Delta's list of current international flights from Atlanta, as well as the new international flights that have already started service or will over the next 6 months.

The cities with no dates in parentheses after them have had nonstop international service by Delta from Atlanta for a number of years. Those cities with dates in parentheses after them are new destinations for nonstop service from Atlanta.

ATLANTA

Europe/Middle East/Japan

Amsterdam, Netherlands
Athens, Greece (begins 5/29/06)
Barcelona, Spain
Brussels, Belgium
Copenhagen, Denmark (begins 5/1/06)
Dublin, Ireland
Düsseldorf, Germany (begins 4/3/06)
Edinburgh, Scotland (begins 5/4/06)
Frankfurt, Germany
London/Gatwick, England
Manchester, England
Madrid, Spain
Milan, Italy
Munich, Germany
Moscow, Russia
Nice, France (begins 5/9/06)
Paris/Charles De Gaulle, France
Rome, Italy
Shannon, Ireland
Stuttgart, Germany
Tel Aviv, Israel (begins 3/27/06)
Tokyo/Narita, Japan
Venice, Italy (begins 6/6/06)
Zürich, Switzerland

Latin America/Caribbean

Acapulco, Mexico (begins 3/11/06)****
Aruba
Antigua (begins 12/18/05)
Barbados (begins 12/8/05)
Belize City, Belize
Bogota, Colombia
Buenos Aires, Argentina
Cancun, Mexico
Caracas, Venezuela
Cozumel, Mexico (begins 3/6/06)
Grand Bahama, Bahamas***
Grand Cayman, Cayman Islands
Guadalajara, Mexico
Guatemala City, Guatemala
Hamilton, Bermuda
Liberia, Costa Rica
Lima, Peru
Los Cabos, Mexico (12/3/05)**
Managua, Nicaragua (begins 12/15/05)
Merida, Mexico (begins 2/25/06)
Mexico City, Mexico
Montego Bay, Jamaica
Monterrey, Mexico***
Nassau, Bahamas
Panama City, Panama
Providenciales, Turks & Caicos***
Punta Cana, Dominican Republic (begins 11/19/05)
Puerto Vallarta, Mexico (begins 12/15/05)
Rio de Janeiro, Brazil
Roatan, Honduras (begins 3/4/06)
San Jose, Costa Rica
San Pedro Sula, Honduras (begins 3/1/06)
San Salvador, El Salvador
Santiago, Chile
Santiago, Dominican Republic
St. Lucia
Santo Domingo, Dominican Republic (begins 12/1/05)
Sao Paulo, Brazil
St. Maarten, Netherlands Antilles
Zihuatanejo/Ixtapa, Mexico (begins 3/18/06)****

** Denotes seasonal service.
*** Service may be operated by Delta Connection carrier Atlantic Southeast Airlines.
****Subject to DOT approval

[Nick in Atlanta]

Originally Posted by samsonyuen

Wow, they sure have a lot of international flights from Atlanta. It's like NY is an international hub of sorts for Delta too. It'd be interesting to see which of the legacy airlines has the most number of international flights/% of international flights.

I don't know the answer to this question for sure, but I believe that American Airlines may have the most international flights as a percentage of all their flights mainly because they have a major hub in Miami that has a very large number of flights to the Caribbean & Latin America.

Regarding Delta's flights out of Atlanta. Atlanta has never been the problem with Delta Airlines. Its international flights and domestic hub structure have always made money for Delta.

[mr_storms]

Originally Posted by Nick in Atlanta

I don't know the answer to this question for sure, but I believe that American Airlines may have the most international flights as a percentage of all their flights mainly because they have a major hub in Miami that has a very large number of flights to the Caribbean & Latin America.

Regarding Delta's flights out of Atlanta. Atlanta has never been the problem with Delta Airlines. Its international flights and domestic hub structure have always made money for Delta.

I think its CO rather than AA. CO has Houston for South American/Carribean destinations and the major hub at EWR for their massive amount of european destinations

[Nick in Atlanta]

Originally Posted by mr_storms

I think its CO rather than AA. CO has Dallas Ft Worth for South American/Carribean destinations and the major hub at EWR for their massive amount of european destinations

I think that you may be right about CO, but their Caribbean/Latin American hub is Houston, not Dallas/Ft Worth. DFW is a major domestic hub for American Airlines and has a decent schedule to Latin America, but Continental's Houston hub serves about 30 cities in Mexico (often with regional jets to smaller cities) and has recently pushed deeper into South America. Their Newark/New York hub also has the most amount of flights to Europe and beyond for any one airline flying out of the greater New York area.

[mr_storms]

Sorry, I always mix them up DFW And Houston. Good find

[hkskyline]

Delta Reports Losing $182M in November
By HARRY R. WEBER
30 December 2005

ATLANTA (AP) - Delta Air Lines Inc., the nation's third-largest carrier, said Friday it lost $182 million in November, pushing its red ink to $11.6 billion since January 2001.

The Atlanta-based airline, which filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection in New York on Sept. 14, also said in a court filing that it spent $2.39 billion in the 30-day period.

It must file a monthly operating report with the bankruptcy court.

The latest loss, which is equivalent to 96 cents a share, includes $1 million in preferred stock dividends that Delta accrued but did not pay, spokeswoman Chris Kelly said. It still considered the money part of its loss.

Excluding reorganization items, Delta said its loss in November was $164 million.

Revenue for the month totaled $1.3 billion. It said it ended the month with $2.07 billion in cash on hand.

Delta had lost $8.52 billion between Jan. 1, 2001, and Dec. 31, 2004. So far this year, it reported losses of $1.08 billion in the first quarter, $388 million in the second quarter and $1.13 billion in the third quarter. Kelly said the airline lost $300 million in October.

The latest earnings report comes as Delta's 6,000 pilots earlier this week approved another round of deep pay cuts.

The 14 percent cut in wages and other cuts equal to an additional 1 percent wage reduction that pilots agreed to Wednesday are on top of a 32.5 percent pay cut the pilots agreed to last year as part of a $1 billion annual concessions package.

Delta had been seeking to void the pilot contract so it could impose $325 million in new concessions on its pilots, but agreed to an interim deal worth less than half that. The two sides will now try to work out a comprehensive deal by March. If they can't, a three-person arbitration panel will decide the fate of the pilot contract.

The pilot union's threat of a strike is on the back burner for now. But if the contract is ultimately thrown out by the arbitration panel, the threat could resurface.

[mic of Orion]

I hope Delta goes broke, I can't stand them any more, they can't make it through competition they deserve to go down, at least others will have chance to go on..

[Nick in Atlanta]

Originally Posted by mic of Orion

I hope Delta goes broke, I can't stand them any more, they can't make it through competition they deserve to go down, at least others will have chance to go on..

Hey, there's a part of me that agrees with you. When Delta was a strong airline they definitely protected their hub cities from other carriers. They played a little dirty at times by using their huge network to overwhelm a new airline just starting service. (e.g., AirTran.)

But they do provide Atlanta with a ton of flight options to various cities all over North American and the world. It would hurt Atlanta to lose that and it would hurt the 30,000 people who would be out of a good job too.

[Monkey]

^ I can see why people in Atlanta want it to stay afloat but the US aviation industry as a whole is suffering from the overcapacity made possible by the seemingly endless protection of unprofitable airlines under Chapter 11.

[Lee]

^Bankruptcy enables airlines to cut costs and to come out "leaner." A great example would be UA, which is starting to make a profit.

[Nick in Atlanta]

Originally Posted by Lee

^Bankruptcy enables airlines to cut costs and to come out "leaner." A great example would be UA, which is starting to make a profit.

I agree. I don't think many people understand the US Bankruptcy laws. Chapter 11 "Reorganization" is not a shield meant to protect inept airlines. If an airline successfully emerges from chapter 11 it has to have a plan for operating that is approved by its creditors. Creditors can deny the plan and if no agreement is reached, the company is liquidated with assets being divided mainly among creditors, who receive only a percentage on the dollar.

[Monkey]

Originally Posted by Lee

^Bankruptcy enables airlines to cut costs and to come out "leaner." A great example would be UA, which is starting to make a profit.

Cummon most US airlines are making a loss. If one was allowed to go down there would be room for all of the others to make profits.