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Old January 22nd, 2013, 02:09 PM   #1141
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Here is one of the rejected plans by/from AA:

The Proposed Livery:




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Old January 22nd, 2013, 09:31 PM   #1142
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Well those exterior designs were about as dull as you can get, and the different colored sides thing was just weird.

I like what we got quite a bit better.

Loved those interior styles though! Especially "Aquatica" and the all-black ones.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:17 AM   #1143
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Two sides with two different colors is an absolutely ridiculous idea. I would like the design if it was all blue though. Simple yet effective.
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Old January 23rd, 2013, 06:29 AM   #1144
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They wanted to be the true flag carrier I've read. Obviously an eagle on the tail wouldn't accomplish that alone. I also don't like the eagle design anymore. It doesn't have the majesty of bird designs like the Japanese crane on jal or the Singapore bird.

THe new one screams USA, which is what they wanted. I'm actually glad they didn't use stars on the flag tail, it would have looked tacky.

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Old January 24th, 2013, 12:11 AM   #1145
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Old January 24th, 2013, 12:11 AM   #1146
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Here is one of the rejected plans by/from AA:

The Proposed Livery:




more pictures are at:
AA Rejected Brand Alternative
http://imgur.com/a/mwEiY
Ugly.
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Old January 24th, 2013, 05:01 AM   #1147
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:35 AM   #1148
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I think it's more boring and tacky than ugly.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:44 AM   #1149
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Hawaiian Airlines: Aloha, Asia
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HAWAIIAN AIRLINES, one of America's favourite passenger carriers, is continuing its aggressive expansion into the Asian market. The airline plans to buy over a dozen new Airbus jets, the Associated Press reported on Sunday. The rapidly growing airline plans to add about 1,000 jobs over the next half-decade or so to handle its expanded capacity. The deal is worth around $2.8 billion, according to Reuters.

Hawaiian is a positive story in America's domestic airline industry. Its planes arrive on time, it gets good passenger satisfaction scores, and it is growing. Such strength is proof that Virgin America's plan to offer superior service and amenities for a slightly higher price wasn't all wrong. But Hawaiian's situation is unique. It is perfectly situated to take advantage of Asia's growing wealth and the growing demand for American vacations. As far as American vacations go, you can't do much better than Hawaii.

Hawaiian's new planes aren't intended to be used on the inter-island routes it already dominates; they are for medium and long-haul flights to the mainland and to new Asian destinations. As Asians become richer and more interested in American vacations, and as America continues to loosen its visa rules (which, as we've argued before, is a good thing), Hawaiian's options will only expand. It's nice to see an American airline making money (it is a rare thing)and doing so without trying to trick its customers. But seeing an American airline so enthusiastically embrace European planes has to sound like bad news for one partythe already embattled Boeing, and the troubled 787.
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Old January 25th, 2013, 04:51 AM   #1150
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Found an image of a render of the Hawaiian A321neo



The current A321 range from Honolulu, the neo will add 450 miles to it.

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Old January 27th, 2013, 03:17 PM   #1151
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Well, the extra 450 miles won't do much to get to Asia.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 04:16 PM   #1152
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Well, the extra 450 miles won't do much to get to Asia.
Yep. Not even reaching Japan.
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Old January 27th, 2013, 06:20 PM   #1153
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The A321neo's are not really for the Asian market, but all their new A330s and A350s on order will give them the possibilities to expand in Asia.

The A321s will open up more cities deeper in the US or smaller cities on the west coast. Or direct flights from the smaller islands to the big cities on the west coast.
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Old January 28th, 2013, 11:18 AM   #1154
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I'd say the A321Neo will allow HA to fly, for example:

• Honolulu to Sacramento
• Honolulu to Phoenix (to compete with US Airways)
• Hilo to San Francisco (previously with United)
• Kahalui to Las Vegas
• Honolulu to Anchorage (to compete with Alaska Airlines)

I don't know though if it will have enough range to fly Honolulu to Sapporo in Japan... But, should that be possible, that would be one really long flight on a single-aisle plane.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:16 AM   #1155
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I'd say the A321Neo will allow HA to fly, for example:

• Honolulu to Sacramento
• Honolulu to Phoenix (to compete with US Airways)
• Hilo to San Francisco (previously with United)
• Kahalui to Las Vegas
• Honolulu to Anchorage (to compete with Alaska Airlines)

I don't know though if it will have enough range to fly Honolulu to Sapporo in Japan... But, should that be possible, that would be one really long flight on a single-aisle plane.
Hawaiian Airlines already has direct flights to Phoenix and Sacramento from Honolulu. However I think a Denver-Honolulu route or even a Dallas-Honolulu route could be a strong possibility.

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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:31 AM   #1156
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Hawaiian Airlines already has direct flights to Phoenix and Sacramento from Honolulu. However I think a Denver-Honolulu route or even a Dallas-Honolulu route could be a strong possibility.
You're right... Very interesting to see HA fly nonstop to PHX. All I know is that US does HNL-PHX 2x a day, and they leave like an hour or two apart on B757-200s. I mean, the A321Neo can be used for like such flights with lower passenger loads. I then wonder where HA will actually send them to: perhaps Honolulu to Calgary? I know that HA does Sacramento, but I don't know if such loads would be better off with the A321, thus my suggestions.
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Old January 30th, 2013, 06:10 PM   #1158
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Delta Airlines will add new routes within N America and Bermuda for Summer 2013, with some of them being operational resumptions. Details and schedules:

Atlanta Anchorage: 21JUN13 31AUG13, 1 daily
DL1776 ATL1500 1830ANC 757 D
DL1785 ANC1930 0635+1ATL 757 D

Atlanta Burlington VT: effective 06JUN13, 1 daily
DL1995 ATL2030 2302BTV M88 D
DL2001 BTV0715 0946ATL M88 D

Atlanta Green Bay: effective 10JUN13, 1 daily
DL5223 ATL1905 2012GRB CR7 D
DL5523 GRB0600 0907ATL CR7 D

DL5523 eff 11JUN13

New York JFK Quebec City: effective 24MAY13, 2 daily
DL3614 JFK1230 1410YQB CRJ D
DL3696 JFK2045 2225YQB CRJ D

DL3697 YQB0700 0840JFK CRJ D
DL3614 YQB1540 1720JFK CRJ D

New York La Guardia Bermuda: effective 08APR13, 1 daily
DL437 LGA1130 1440BDA 738 D
DL438 BDA1540 1655LGA 738 D

Salt Lake City Madison: effective 18MAY13, 1 daily
DL4585 SLC1400 1755MSN CR7 D
DL4585 MSN1830 2040SLC CR7 D

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Old January 31st, 2013, 03:58 AM   #1159
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Green Bay to Atlanta? Madison to Salt Lake City? As a regular non-aviation expert type person, these seem like rather odd routes. I always thought of GRB and MSN as the type of airports that you take to the region's big airports, like ORD, MKE, or whatever the letters are for Minneapolis.
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Sure, but Delta's hubs include all those listed, and I find the Salt Lake CityMadison route to be the most interesting of the bunch. By the way, MSP is the code for Minneapolis/St. Paul.
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