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Old December 3rd, 2005, 05:27 PM   #41
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Eiffel tower shouldnt really be classed as a skyscraper though. It is a landmark, but it is completely different to what we would call a skyscraper.

And even if you want to class it as a skyscraper, it is surrounded by nothing tall at all.

Atleast if london wanted to build 400m the towers surrounding it would be more than half the size, unlike in La Defense
CW has height restrictions so you wont see any 400m tower in this area.

The City doesn't have any skyscrapers higher than those in LD (190m).

Your post is both false and pointless, kid.

This thread is about a project in LD, can British forumers avoid turning it into a Paris vs. London thread please???
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 05:35 PM   #42
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Nice, but I don't think it will happen.
Why not?

- It's a political project;

- they are planing urban transport developpements (RER E prolongation to La Défense, with a 7 km tunnel to be built);

- there isn't any height restriction due to the proximity of an airport in LD;

- LD is far enough from the historical center to avoid a bad visual impact.

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Old December 3rd, 2005, 06:18 PM   #43
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The project seems to be well backed up. Well anyway, wait and see...
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 06:45 PM   #44
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This thread is about a project in LD, can British forumers avoid turning it into a Paris vs. London thread please???
LOL, just an observer here, but I couldnt help noticing that it was actually you who brought up the London-Paris issue here in the first place, remember:

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I'm not sure, we have had a 300m+ tower in Paris for nearly 120 years! Of course, it would certainly be way too tall for London, where you only "broke the 200m barrier" in the end of the XXth century...]
That is because London didn't have the need of a 200m+ building, unlike Paris, who decided that they required the largest phallic symbol in the world

I personally hope it doesn't get built, and I have my doubts that it actually will. Paris already has a decent skyline, and they should concentrate on building maybe 300m towers or sumthin. 400m is just gonna dwarf the other buildings around it, and if the design isnt 100%, and I do mean 100% fantastic, the tower will ruin all the smaller, nicer buildings below it.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 06:45 PM   #45
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- LD is far enough from the historical center to avoid a bad visual impact.
Hmm... Are you sure about that?

I mean, look at this pic. It will be humungously tall... and it will completely dominate this view:


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Old December 3rd, 2005, 06:56 PM   #46
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The "grande arche" is 6km far from "Le Louvre"
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 06:59 PM   #47
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Which areas of Paris would you define as "historic"?
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:18 PM   #48
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What is inside the main train station termini circle imo.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:21 PM   #49
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Really nice to hear that there's finally a big project approved for Paris
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:25 PM   #50
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Here is the type of impact a 400m tower and a few transitional ones would have on the syline (made by french forumers styckyesman and metropolitain)





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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:28 PM   #51
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Excellent for la Defence. Tres Bien Paris. Although, I myself believe it would be better at 350m but if Parisians are happy then i'm happy.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:32 PM   #52
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The 400m figure is just a vague figure...
Maybe it will be a 350m tower + a spire or so...no one knows.

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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:44 PM   #53
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The 400m figure is just a vague figure...
Maybe it will be a 350m tower + a spire or so...no one knows.

Either way I strongly feel Paris need a super tall in La Defence.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:48 PM   #54
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i cannot see such thing happening
i'm sure a lot of people will be against it

i know there are a few projects coming up in la defense, but the difference between 400m and 250m which i believe is the largest project is too big

too many small buildings around, it would stick out
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:50 PM   #55
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I'm sure parisians would not give a s*** to such a project. The main issue is financial viability and locals expressing nymbism.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:54 PM   #56
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^why not? i dubai they can build a tower of around 900 meters tall with buildings like 200 meters around it...

and in paris, a city which is larger then dubai it can't be. i don't know if it's true what you're saying
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 07:57 PM   #57
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Strange you think that, as La Défense is actually exclusively pedestrian (the cars, trains, subways and trams pass under the surface concrete slab. Anyway, a 6000 seat concert hall and a 16 movie theater multiplex will be built while the huge mall "Les quatres-temps" is being refurbished, so I think La Défense will be soon more "pedestrian friendly" and lively than ever.
Thank you bnmaddict, good to hear about the upcoming other projects, especially refurbishment of Les Quatre-temps which really needs it. You are right that La Defense is pedestrian-friendly, I sort of meant more that the public spaces, when I've been there, were always very quiet, I think die to all the infrastructure being underground. The open space needs to be used more! And that looks like happening, excellent!

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Old December 3rd, 2005, 08:02 PM   #58
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^why not? i dubai they can build a tower of around 900 meters tall with buildings like 200 meters around it...

and in paris, a city which is larger then dubai it can't be. i don't know if it's true what you're saying
Exactly! We can have a look at Toronto, where the CN tower clearly sticks out, or NYC with the twins or the ESB; 2IFC as well is surrounded by smaller buildings.

The Burj Dubai will be 3 to 4 times higher than any buildings around it; here we're talking about a tower 2 times higher than the towers around...
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 08:04 PM   #59
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I'm sure parisians would not give a s*** to such a project. The main issue is financial viability and locals expressing nymbism.
If the project is build inside the perimeter of LD, I don't think there will be too much nimbysm expressions of locals.
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Old December 3rd, 2005, 08:27 PM   #60
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Hmm... Are you sure about that?

I mean, look at this pic. It will be humungously tall... and it will completely dominate this view:


A 400m building might be too tall but I still think La Defense could do with some more height. I looks a bit flat IMO as it is and if one 250m and another 330m or so were built it would look fantastic!

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The Burj Dubai will be 3 to 4 times higher than any buildings around it
Don't be so sure. Burj Dubai will be about 2 times higher only. It's also very thin and has setbacks so it won't be as dominating.
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