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Borgvik · July 15th, 2006, 11:56 PM

Nice if its true, but why would it be so "secret"?

Nomels · July 16th, 2006, 03:34 AM

......ooh, regarding metro, this extraordinary projection of Riga Central Metro Station, apparently, was designed in 1983 by architects А.Purvins (I assume Gatis might know him - I think the full name of the architect is Andris Purvins - he use to work in a Riga City Planning department) and М.Gundars. The source is a Russian (Riga admirers

) forum - http://forum.myriga.info/

I like that forum! Here is another surprise (at least for me) - initially, instead of just one building of "Zemkopibas Ministrija" there was a project of three high-rises in Republikas Laukums (sorry, doesn't apply to transport thread)

...if there really is an underground beneath the Riga city, I would imagine it is not available to public because of its intent - it is supposed to be used by the heads of Riga or even Latvia government only for emergency purposes, I presume, to exit the city in minutes in a case of (lets say) somebody nuking Riga

RS · July 16th, 2006, 10:09 AM

Interesting haw deep it is, couse under Brīvibas street was planned pasenger metro, it meens thet this secret line is under planned metro if it is.

Gatis Go on tell as something about it

It is really stupid that we havn't metro, and the same time there is metro, while we are sitting in the jums.

Jape · July 16th, 2006, 11:33 AM

As I excepted, Riga metro was planned to be a typical soviet metro system with fascinating architecture and three lines forming a triangle in the center. Too bad it didn't get built. But to be realistic - it would have been one big step away from independent Latvia.

http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6929/metro2sr7.jpg - This looks just sooo beautiful! I have always wondered why in former Soviet Union the architecture of metro stations is always so astonishing. Perhaps it was a way to give an impression to passengers that they are living in a rich and mighty empire?

ch1le · July 16th, 2006, 11:34 AM

/\ yup thats it.

Gatis · July 16th, 2006, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Nice if its true, but why would it be so "secret"?

Because secret facilities like this might come in handy for this city - contemporary centre of East - West espionage (title taken over from Prague some time ago). Many liberal Russian politicians (including Yeltsin) were hiding in Latvia during coup-d-etat in 1991.
No, I don't know anything of value about such underground systems, they are secret enough - or even non-existant

@nomels - your contribution here is just brilliant!!!

Nomels · July 16th, 2006, 09:29 PM

2 Gatis:

Very pleased to hear such a compliment! Cheers

Hybrid 87 · July 17th, 2006, 06:15 AM

About the metro and s-bahn project ... it's actually nothing useful but still want to show ... I have made some own project (I have too much spare time) ... both are my projects and have nothing to do with the real thing

The S-Bahn sheme

S-Bahn Overlay map (1283X1289) - http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2996/sbahnze0.jpg

Metro sheme

Metro pverlay map (1283X1289) - http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6599/ubahn2rm9.jpg

@nomels
About those all projets ... all they are in one book called "Riga That Doesn't Exist" ... in that book are almost all unfinished or even not started project in riga from 1901 till the 1990ties.

Artis · July 17th, 2006, 08:15 AM

Interesting work, Hybrid.
Only - your subway has no stops / stations at Moscow suburb. And those curves seem little bit unreasonable.
But anyway - there are any interesting ideas.

RS · July 17th, 2006, 09:15 AM

The subway is too big, I think there is no need to make it to Vacāķi, Bolderāja, Salas pils there can be called S Bahn.

In my mind: first Line Imanta Bergi, and under Brivibas street a branch under Zemitanu station to Purvciems , and Mežciems. The next line from Plavinieki Skanstes Street. Line connects in Center, but the other branch starts at Ziepniekkalns, Mukusala District Zakusala, Zinatnes Nams, central station, Skanstes street, Maybee to Sarkandaugava, or even better to New skyscraper area near Mezaparks district.., but meny places can connect by S bahn.

I will make a picture later..

Hybrid 87 · July 17th, 2006, 01:32 PM

Well I planned that metro system when I was 12 and with almost no changes you can see it here ...
Well ... the red line could be useless ... and the green line could be only from Klīversala to Ķekava

And BTW ... my first metro plan had two or three stations in Maskachka (Moscow Suburb) ...

To my mind the only realy usefull line from my plan is 2 (blue) and 4 (gold)

Nomels · July 17th, 2006, 01:40 PM

Thank you Hybrid 87. I am looking forwards to read it ("Riga That Doesn't Exist")

Hybrid 87 · July 17th, 2006, 01:55 PM

That's an old book from 1998 ... I only saw it once in a book stoore and I bought it then

Nomels · July 18th, 2006, 06:17 PM

...the tunnel under Daugava can be used to get across it.

Some people already does

Nomels · July 18th, 2006, 06:22 PM

Nomels · July 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM

It is probably worth to mention that by 2008 RVR (Riga Carriage Factory) is planning to complete face-lifting for 68 PV ("Pasazieru vilciens"/"Passanger train") electric train carriages (there are 112 carriages operating currently). Total investment 13.7 million Lats - mostly from EU funds. First two trains (four carriages each) will be launched on September 5th 2006. NO LOW FLOOR though, because platforms are not suitable...yet

Nomels · July 20th, 2006, 10:03 PM

from http://www.tvnet.lv/izklaide/fun/new....php?id=374159

Apparently 20 000 lats have been invested to set in motion a tram (36 "seater") called "Tramvajs-dzivoklis" (Apartment tram) running on a tram line no. 6. It is possessing curious interior and facilities - leather sofa, armchairs, tables, lamps, TV........eh....enjoy

Nomels · July 21st, 2006, 03:21 AM

From
http://www.railway-market.pl/news06/0607_067.htm

The railway route is going to be launched very soon between Riga and Tallinn. It says that it could be the "fast train" - it doesn't state how fast though

the quote from article
"Transport Minister Krisjanis Peters said earlier that the Riga-Valga train could be launched in the next few years, but it was unlikely to happen this year."

Above - the train currently operating on route Riga-Liepaya - relaunched this year

Gatis · July 21st, 2006, 08:42 AM

Quote:

NO LOW FLOOR though, because platforms are not suitable...yet

Platforms will not be rised. Renovated passenger trains will run for some 10 years and gradually be replaced by low-floor passenger trains, which do not require high rised platforms.
That's at least what I was reading.
- - -
Somebody has to participate in today's discussion about the transportation solutions for left bank of Daugava, including highrise districts.

Nomels · July 21st, 2006, 09:08 AM

Where is this discussion held, Gatis?

July 16th, 2006, 03:34 AM	#82
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	Metro in Riga ......ooh, regarding metro, this extraordinary projection of Riga Central Metro Station, apparently, was designed in 1983 by architects А.Purvins (I assume Gatis might know him - I think the full name of the architect is Andris Purvins - he use to work in a Riga City Planning department) and М.Gundars. The source is a Russian (Riga admirers) forum - http://forum.myriga.info/ I like that forum! Here is another surprise (at least for me) - initially, instead of just one building of "Zemkopibas Ministrija" there was a project of three high-rises in Republikas Laukums (sorry, doesn't apply to transport thread) ...if there really is an underground beneath the Riga city, I would imagine it is not available to public because of its intent - it is supposed to be used by the heads of Riga or even Latvia government only for emergency purposes, I presume, to exit the city in minutes in a case of (lets say) somebody nuking Riga __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931 Last edited by Nomels; July 16th, 2006 at 08:17 AM.

July 16th, 2006, 11:34 AM	#85
ch1le always on Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: tallinn/Tartu Posts: 4,529 Likes (Received): 1	/\ yup thats it. __________________ not ready yet

July 16th, 2006, 09:29 PM	#87
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	2 Gatis: Very pleased to hear such a compliment! Cheers __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931

July 17th, 2006, 06:15 AM	#88
Hybrid 87 Devil Will Cry Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,232 Likes (Received): 29	About the metro and s-bahn project ... it's actually nothing useful but still want to show ... I have made some own project (I have too much spare time) ... both are my projects and have nothing to do with the real thing The S-Bahn sheme S-Bahn Overlay map (1283X1289) - http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/2996/sbahnze0.jpg Metro sheme Metro pverlay map (1283X1289) - http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/6599/ubahn2rm9.jpg @nomels About those all projets ... all they are in one book called "Riga That Doesn't Exist" ... in that book are almost all unfinished or even not started project in riga from 1901 till the 1990ties. __________________ "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." - "The Art of War (by Sabaton)

July 17th, 2006, 01:32 PM	#91
Hybrid 87 Devil Will Cry Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,232 Likes (Received): 29	Well I planned that metro system when I was 12 and with almost no changes you can see it here ... Well ... the red line could be useless ... and the green line could be only from Klīversala to Ķekava And BTW ... my first metro plan had two or three stations in Maskachka (Moscow Suburb) ... To my mind the only realy usefull line from my plan is 2 (blue) and 4 (gold) __________________ "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." - "The Art of War (by Sabaton)

July 15th, 2006, 11:56 PM	#81
Borgvik Martin Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Stockholm Posts: 99 Likes (Received): 0	Nice if its true, but why would it be so "secret"?

July 16th, 2006, 10:09 AM	#83
RS RS Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Riga Posts: 338 Likes (Received): 4	Interesting haw deep it is, couse under Brīvibas street was planned pasenger metro, it meens thet this secret line is under planned metro if it is. Gatis Go on tell as something about it It is really stupid that we havn't metro, and the same time there is metro, while we are sitting in the jums.

July 16th, 2006, 11:33 AM	#84
Jape Resurrected User Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Helsinki Posts: 699 Likes (Received): 23	As I excepted, Riga metro was planned to be a typical soviet metro system with fascinating architecture and three lines forming a triangle in the center. Too bad it didn't get built. But to be realistic - it would have been one big step away from independent Latvia. http://img97.imageshack.us/img97/6929/metro2sr7.jpg - This looks just sooo beautiful! I have always wondered why in former Soviet Union the architecture of metro stations is always so astonishing. Perhaps it was a way to give an impression to passengers that they are living in a rich and mighty empire?

July 17th, 2006, 08:15 AM	#89
Artis Registered User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Riga, Imanta Posts: 161 Likes (Received): 3	Interesting work, Hybrid. Only - your subway has no stops / stations at Moscow suburb. And those curves seem little bit unreasonable. But anyway - there are any interesting ideas.

July 17th, 2006, 09:15 AM	#90
RS RS Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Riga Posts: 338 Likes (Received): 4	The subway is too big, I think there is no need to make it to Vacāķi, Bolderāja, Salas pils there can be called S Bahn. In my mind: first Line Imanta Bergi, and under Brivibas street a branch under Zemitanu station to Purvciems , and Mežciems. The next line from Plavinieki Skanstes Street. Line connects in Center, but the other branch starts at Ziepniekkalns, Mukusala District Zakusala, Zinatnes Nams, central station, Skanstes street, Maybee to Sarkandaugava, or even better to New skyscraper area near Mezaparks district.., but meny places can connect by S bahn. I will make a picture later..

July 17th, 2006, 01:40 PM	#92
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	Thank you Hybrid 87. I am looking forwards to read it ("Riga That Doesn't Exist") __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931

July 17th, 2006, 01:55 PM	#93
Hybrid 87 Devil Will Cry Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 1,232 Likes (Received): 29	That's an old book from 1998 ... I only saw it once in a book stoore and I bought it then __________________ "If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle." - "The Art of War (by Sabaton)

July 18th, 2006, 06:17 PM	#94
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	if there is no other way... ...the tunnel under Daugava can be used to get across it. Some people already does __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931 Last edited by Nomels; July 20th, 2006 at 10:14 PM.

July 18th, 2006, 06:22 PM	#95
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	Another historical transport scene of Riga - looking different now:( __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931 Last edited by Nomels; July 21st, 2006 at 05:52 AM.

July 20th, 2006, 09:51 PM	#96
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	Trains and trams It is probably worth to mention that by 2008 RVR (Riga Carriage Factory) is planning to complete face-lifting for 68 PV ("Pasazieru vilciens"/"Passanger train") electric train carriages (there are 112 carriages operating currently). Total investment 13.7 million Lats - mostly from EU funds. First two trains (four carriages each) will be launched on September 5th 2006. NO LOW FLOOR though, because platforms are not suitable...yet __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931 Last edited by Nomels; July 21st, 2006 at 05:59 AM.

July 20th, 2006, 10:03 PM	#97
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	...yes and tram:) from http://www.tvnet.lv/izklaide/fun/new....php?id=374159 Apparently 20 000 lats have been invested to set in motion a tram (36 "seater") called "Tramvajs-dzivoklis" (Apartment tram) running on a tram line no. 6. It is possessing curious interior and facilities - leather sofa, armchairs, tables, lamps, TV........eh....enjoy __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931 Last edited by Nomels; July 21st, 2006 at 05:50 AM.

July 21st, 2006, 03:21 AM	#98
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	From http://www.railway-market.pl/news06/0607_067.htm The railway route is going to be launched very soon between Riga and Tallinn. It says that it could be the "fast train" - it doesn't state how fast though the quote from article "Transport Minister Krisjanis Peters said earlier that the Riga-Valga train could be launched in the next few years, but it was unlikely to happen this year." Above - the train currently operating on route Riga-Liepaya - relaunched this year __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931 Last edited by Nomels; July 21st, 2006 at 06:03 AM.

July 21st, 2006, 09:08 AM	#100
Nomels SSC censors - go subtle Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Riga Posts: 1,674 Likes (Received): 23	Where is this discussion held, Gatis? __________________ My favorite Money Manager (PAMM) is Trade-Bowl Monthly average return is 6% http://fxopen.com/?Culture=en&agent=478931

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