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Old July 6th, 2008, 06:25 AM   #1101
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It's Dubai. If someone announced they were building a 7,000 footer ... I wouldn't count it out.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 06:41 AM   #1102
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^ As a skyscraper lover, I'm completely okay with building a nearly mile-high tower purely as a show of wealth.
Me too. I wonder how many are us. I mean, have we already been taken into account by Dubai's tourism analysts when they discuss investments in infrastructure?
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Old July 6th, 2008, 07:00 AM   #1103
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Mhhhh a building like Burj al Arab is also not economical and who cares about it? noone. so why is everyone caring that much about the economical side of this tower?
you have think holistically. the burj al arab will take a long time to recoup its building costs from its room and services sales. but think about the kind of clientele the hotel attracts - they spend a lot of money on the hotel, but they spend even more outside of the hotel.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 11:28 AM   #1104
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Old July 6th, 2008, 02:34 PM   #1105
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Me too. I wonder how many are us. I mean, have we already been taken into account by Dubai's tourism analysts when they discuss investments in infrastructure?
I really wonder if Dubai can sustain tourism at a significant source of income in the long run. What is there to really draw people to come there for vacations? Yes, the architecture will attract some people but those people won't return time and time again. Maybe some will come for the beaches but there are better beaches with better weather all over the world. Also being located in the Middle East certainly doesn't help draw tourists. While tourism sounds like a good idea I'm not sure it really is.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 06:50 PM   #1106
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I really wonder if Dubai can sustain tourism at a significant source of income in the long run. What is there to really draw people to come there for vacations? Yes, the architecture will attract some people but those people won't return time and time again. Maybe some will come for the beaches but there are better beaches with better weather all over the world. Also being located in the Middle East certainly doesn't help draw tourists. While tourism sounds like a good idea I'm not sure it really is.
I'm afraid for dubai that when they will finally finish everyting, dubai will become "SO LAST TUESDAY", especialy if just a few hudred miles acros the golf might start a big war(not like in Iraq). It may become the biggest GHOST CITY.:


Im not very sure even about the smaller buildings. Yes, they did sold out, but I don't know if they are bought by someon who really need them or just somme investors, eager to make a quick buck?


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Not only burj Bubai, Everythig above 300m is not very economic, just a display of power and wealth.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 09:59 PM   #1107
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Not only burj Bubai, Everythig above 300m is not very economic, just a display of power and wealth.
No, it's a much better use of space. Think of how much space the burj dubai would have taken up if it had been a number of shorter buildings. Building up is better than building out.
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Old July 6th, 2008, 10:05 PM   #1108
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Why can't we just enjoy the ride while it lasts ?
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Old July 6th, 2008, 10:12 PM   #1109
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No, it's a much better use of space. Think of how much space the burj dubai would have taken up if it had been a number of shorter buildings. Building up is better than building out.
Better? maybe... Cheaper? NO WAY! (with 4 bilion USD they could had build like 30 200m towers.)

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I really wonder if Dubai can sustain tourism at a significant source of income in the long run. What is there to really draw people to come there for vacations? Yes, the architecture will attract some people but those people won't return time and time again. Maybe some will come for the beaches but there are better beaches with better weather all over the world. Also being located in the Middle East certainly doesn't help draw tourists. While tourism sounds like a good idea I'm not sure it really is.
Well, if a city can attract tourists, it should invest in this business, since there are many cities around the world that prove it really pays off. We can only speculate about dubai's future as a tourism center.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:28 AM   #1111
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Doesn't Dubai offer some of the world's most favoarble tax rates ?
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Old July 7th, 2008, 01:39 AM   #1112
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Better? maybe... Cheaper? NO WAY! (with 4 bilion USD they could had build like 30 200m towers.)

Yes, and then proportionatly there would be much less public space per person housed, if you get what I mean.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:14 AM   #1113
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So many Burj in Dubai. What soes 'Burj' mean anyway?
burj means castle.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:33 AM   #1114
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no it doesnt, it means tower
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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:37 AM   #1115
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No taxes, thats how they attracted so many companies and thats why it wont become a ghost town like some people think. Plus is situated in the globe between asia and europe excellent for internacional trade. People that go for vacation to dubai are normally much richer than your average joe. Just look at their beach projects, Maybe it wont get so much tourist after time, but the kind they get is crazy rich an thats all it matters.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:43 AM   #1116
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on it doesnt, it means tower
anyways, there's no different.And "burç"(boorch) means castle in the turkish.

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Old July 7th, 2008, 05:53 AM   #1117
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No, it's a much better use of space. Think of how much space the burj dubai would have taken up if it had been a number of shorter buildings. Building up is better than building out.
Well it's not as if there's a shortage of space in Dubai to build on and if there was they'd just build another island! Height makes no sense for buildings in Dubai except for global impact, the economics' just aren't there no matter how you look at it. Taller buildings also have such a high percentage of unusable space they don't make sense where space is available.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 06:01 AM   #1118
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No taxes, thats how they attracted so many companies and thats why it wont become a ghost town like some people think. Plus is situated in the globe between asia and europe excellent for internacional trade. People that go for vacation to dubai are normally much richer than your average joe. Just look at their beach projects, Maybe it wont get so much tourist after time, but the kind they get is crazy rich an thats all it matters.
That's what I thought.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 06:13 AM   #1119
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Doesn't Dubai offer some of the world's most favoarble tax rates ?
That's what I was thinking, aren't gold and other precious metals very cheap there as well? That's enough to lure in a certain section of the tourism market.

I suppose we've seen the same thing in many other cities. If Las vegas can be built out of the desert and attract hordes of tourists, then Dubai just has to find their own answer to gambling. There's a lot of money in the Middle East, so if Dubai can become the city in which to do business/holiday/invest in then they've really struck gold. However, they're competing against a some serious contenders with Doha rising quickly and that new city in Saudi Arabia going under construction. Firming up their position as a global transport hub is really going to help them as well, the city's location at the centre of an enormous landmass is a real tick in their box (especially considering how much business is going on between China and Africa now).

That said, I'm really not a fan of a lot of these buildings going up. There's a lot that are just tacky. And that enormous themepark is enough to induce an abortion. No matter what Dubai's future is though, it's really going to be interesting to see what other cities can learn from it as they're basically building from scratch. In a time when many of our huge existing cities could be under water in 100 years, I can foresee many more 'from scratch' cities having to be built. Some lessons are going to be learned from Dubai and they're going to come in handy in the future. The city probably will end up with a few thousand white elephants, but I guess it's going to take that to shake Dubai out of its seemingly blind optimism.
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Old July 7th, 2008, 09:00 AM   #1120
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Well it's not as if there's a shortage of space in Dubai to build on and if there was they'd just build another island! Height makes no sense for buildings in Dubai except for global impact, the economics' just aren't there no matter how you look at it. Taller buildings also have such a high percentage of unusable space they don't make sense where space is available.
True, This is not Manhattan or Hong-Kong, where construction space is short. Is so much space in the desert, a waste land, with no use for agriculture or even oil field near Dubai city.
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